A Question for CDN's Asari Members

So a while ago it was revealed that the Asari were holding a huge-ass Prothean beacon on their homeworld, which contained something vital to the Crucible. Now, Council law says that if you hold this kind away and keep it for yourselves, you're in deep shit.

Obviously, no-one cared about it then because, well, Reapers and Crucible going kaboom kinda skewed priorities. But with that knowledge now general public (Alongside the Asari telling Earth and Palaven where to shove it before Thessia got attacked), would the Asari members of CDN say that opinion of the Asari would have changed, even just a little?

I don't really mind personally- just a merc and all that- but I thought it'd be something to talk about.

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No. No they would not.

The asari, as always, remain the

perfect

little

angels

of the galaxy.

While it is true that that information is now public knowledge, I believe that only certain members of Asari high command knew of it's existence prior to the fall of Thessia. I had an Asari stepmother, and spent time on Thessia as a child, but even I didn't know it existed.

Yes, there was initially a "WHAT THE HELL!?" response from the Alliance, but with the Asari contribution to the reconstruction of the Citadel, as well as rebuilding efforts on Earth, the Alliance's opinion of the Asari remains quite high.

And Nikolai, you come across as slightly xenophobic. Seeing as how the Asari, as well as the Turians and Quarians, helped rebuild, you should at least show them some respect.

Dear opening poster, one does simply not punish the founders of the Council, even if they break the laws they crafted themselves. Gondos do not peck one anothers' eyes, and councilors don't get to their seats if they don't retain loyalty to the people who helped them reach the position.

So expect not there to be any legal repercussions for the beacon's concealment. However, you can enact your own repercussions by boycotting Thessian produce. (as if that made a dent on their economy!)

Then Asari High Command has a lot to answer for.


Talk for yourself. Considering this didn't have to happen in the first place, I'm not gonna be so charitable. Talked to an enlisted Marine or sailor recently? Neither are they.


Really? We don't owe the Republics our respect. Respect has to be earnt and they did...the exact opposite. Should we dismiss the Union's lack of action because of salarian volunteers on Earth?

Sgt King, the biggest problem here is the politicians. For example, Asari high command not telling us about the Prothean artefact? They didn't even tell their own people about it. And the Salarians? Just because the Union didn't act, doesn't mean that the Salarian military stood by and did nothing. Or did you forget about the fact that the entire STG deserted them, in order to help us.

Well it's really not much of a military secret if everyone knows it now is it? And it's not much of a shadowy, ambiguously large cabal of high ranking military and civil authorities with literally thousands of years of operation if they can't keep their dirty little secrets...well secret now is it?
You know if you took the time to listen over all those clanking bits of shiny metal you have stapled to your chest and actually hear what your NCOs and enlisted are saying I think you would find that you are in something of the minority on that. People are bitter, who would have thunk?

Mmmff, oh yeah boi, that tone argument feels so good on my dick.

But no seriously, I disagree, loudly, therefore I am xenophobic? Bitch please. I don't hate asari because they're asari. I hate their government because it's the literal embodiement of cronyism and rank nepotism and couldn't organize a military to save it's life. I hate the culture they've nourished that discourages dissension and self examination in favor of "oh it's fiiiiiine, it's fiiiiiiiiiiiiiine, no need to worry". And I think, rather obviously, that those fine credits to their species we have here who blindly support both are a wonderful collection of bleating idiots who indulge in some of the finest hypocrisy I have ever sampled.

Oh my dear honored colleague, surely you have more faith in us than that. Or have you forgotten that lovely little military pact that's going to change everything? The one that the asari are, very pointedly, not a part of? Passed over in favor of humans and krogan, I can't imagine the shade the Forums turned.

By their own actions the Republics have undermined the authority of the Council and encouraged opposition elsewhere, they'd exhausted most of the goodwill of the turians and humans, they're steadily being edged out of any kind of military relevancy right as they find themselves actually being challenged with military problems.

Consequences, they remain things.

Indeed First Sergeant King, whyever would people hold the government that turned their backs on the galaxy and then blamed us when us their perfect walled garden got unsurprisingly napalmed in contempt? They shafted their own people too!

Not to disparage the efforts of the brave agents of the salarian intelligence community who disobeyed their government to help but really it only reaffirms the position that their government is, in fact, being helmed by a living sphincter who made it her personal mission to throw the most inopportune temper tantrum ever. The actions of some do not absolve the many. It absolves the "some".

I was on a carrier that had several Asari when it was announced that the Asari had held the Beacon (We were hosting Spec Ops teams). Tensions were... high, to say the least.

I would. And about two and a half thousand years too bloody late, if you ask me. Hoarding this trove of information for ourselves alone, disregarding the laws we put in place ourselves goes against everything we asari are supposed to stand for. To hold one race above others does nothing to benefit the galaxy at large - which is what we've been encouraging everyone else to do for millennia while simultaneously hiding what would help the galaxy the most in the name of preserving our headstart.

Should whatever remains of those who kept this secret answer for their actions? Yes.
Will they do everything they can to dodge any sort of reprisal? Undoubtedly. They're matriarchs.
Will this have any effect on your average matriarch's overinflated sense of self-importance? Of course not.

This is a rather unpopular view among my fellows, which should surprise nobody.

And... this comes as a surprise? Arrogant, backward, selfish bloody hypocrites they may have been, but even High Command wasn't stupid enough to tell every other Thessian inhabitant about this great secret thing they were hiding.
I mean, I didn't know either; it's not as if every asari is taught a secret handshake and given a passcode to all of the Republics' restricted files as soon as she turns 700.
It works both ways. Do you think we're just throwing all our resources at your homeworld while ignoring our own? Thessia is receiving at least as much aid from your people (along with the Hierarchy, Unions and whoever else) as we are providing to elsewhere.
And you've seen how much respect my government really has for its neighbours.

A delicate violet, if I were to guess.

Deliberately flippant: So the asari leadership were hypocrites. Pointedly: That is not unexpected. Like most races and most governments, their primary interest was in maintaining their own supremacy and security, relative to that of their neighbours.

Conciliatory: They probably felt it justified. The influence of the Republics brought balance, peace and prosperity to our space. With slight weariness: I'm sure they reasoned that the galaxy benefitted from the asari remaining ahead of their allies and neighbours. Can we really argue that it did not? Bitterly: None could have forseen the Reapers.

Neutral observation: What I am saying here is that the asari behaved no differently from how the humans, turians, salarians, or quarians would have behaved had they been the preeminent race. What has been shattered here is the illusion that asari are above or beyond such things. Grimly: They have been knocked from a pedestal, and brought into the realm of commonality. The galaxy will remind them, in many subtle and not so subtle ways, that they have lost a measure of trust.

Firmly: They will rebuild this trust. They have brought us too much to be disregarded. The Republics are needed to balance the excesses of their allies. They will come through for us again... if only because they must, to heal the wound to their own pride.

With conviction: Pride is a virtue. It ensures we continue past our setbacks. I admire the asari. They were fallible, and it is for the best that their leaders are reminded of this.

Bemused: I am sure we can count on Mr. Aleksanders to show us the way.

Respectful: But they will weather this.

By declaring a law that they themselves were never obeying from the very beginning. Okay.

[citation needed]

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Oh, sure. They have time. That's always been the gimmick. Wait it out. Consider that the greatest secret of asari diplomacy. You can always wait and see if the next generation's a little more agreeable.

Like the potential of billions of lost lives and at least hundreds of years of progress we're never getting back.

I guess someone has to.

Consider this: here's how Illium's Board of Directors dealt with the aftermath of the attack on Nos Astra. The whole place was pretty much annihilated. Shame, right? I guess they agreed, because they moved the capital. And then renamed it Nos Astra. It's like gluing wallpaper over a hole in your wall. Maybe it looks the same as the rest of your wall, but there's still a hole.

I can't really think of this as anything but totally emblematic of the lessons that asari administrators have taken to the end of the war.

No one doubted they would 'weather' this.

The question is whether or not they'd learn a lesson.

(the answer is no)

Incidentally, while I was joking with [citation needed], I'm personally fascinated that the best argument that can be mustered is that WELL THOSE OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE DONE IT TOO. I mean, putting aside that there's literally no reason to presume this aside from bizarre platitudes about how all governments are the same (???), we are not dealing with dumb hypotheticals and 'what-ifs'. You are literally saying nothing and adding nothing. If I accused someone of murdering someone else, that 'someone else could have done it in the same position' is not an acceptable defense. Neither is it an acceptable defense here.

What happened is that the asari enforced a law that they themselves had no respect for. That contempt for their own policy and blatant abuse of power for an invisible edge to their alleged supremacy was something that the rest of the galaxy paid for.

I'm not sure why it's the asari who has to be pitied.

Wearily: The rules apply to others, not to you. That is hardly an uncommon mindset.

Dismissive: I do not claim to support such hypocrisy, I merely acknowledge that it is arguably at the hearts of any tribalist ethical system. Protect the in-group and ensure that it has an edge over the out-group. Asari, humans, volus, batarians; tribalist species. Bluntly: Rules are a means of social control as much as anything; it is hardly alien to the tribal mindset to wish control of others while retaining freedoms for yourself.

Conviction: The way to manage this is to ensure that the hypocrisy is acknowledged and brought to light, not to show outrage that it happens at all.


Annoyed: Do not be obtuse. Anyone with an understanding of history knows that Citadel space has prospered, in large part due to asari influence.


Cautiously: I begin to suspect that a large part of your anger is simple inability to accept your relative powerlessness. The fact that asari are long-lived and, in their way, politically manipulative, is no great evil. It is the way things are. Honest approval: That you seek to understand asari ways and resist them is to your credit, but this is not some righteous struggle. It is, once again, the game we must play, the way the galaxy works whether we like it or not.


Amused reluctance: I will give you this. The point is well made.

Reflective: People seek stability and familiarity, all the more so after what we have endured. The urge to keep things as they were is strong. Particularly for the favoured and the powerful. Once again, they are what they are. Pointedly: As are we all.


Neutral tones: Then remind them until they do. One does not correct an error in judgement by blacklisting the party responsible and making them a pariah. To do so is counterproductive as well as rash. One needs to value and respect their contributions. Irritated: I agree that the Republics leadership should not be permitted to brush this aside. Firmly: But they will not. People like yourself and our corporate friend will see to it.

Dissatisfaction: Resist the urge to rally the galaxy's peoples in waving a clenched paw at the Republics. A subtle reminder now and then to deflate some assumed superiority is all that is needed.


Wearily: This is not in dispute. Slight irritation: But if you are so idealistic that you are unable to comprehend or accept that, like it or not, this is going to be how it works, then I am truly sorry.

We are, aren't we? The Thessia Cabal has proven the law is a good law. "Okay, kids, this is what happens when you hide a prothean beacon. So don't attempt that at home." An example nobody needed.


I am not sure there was an actual ‘change’ since the average asari didn’t know about the beacon act and had no reason to like it. Now, after everyone suffered so much even less so. In fact I never thought otherwise but what was the opinion of a matriarch from Trategos worth in the Temple of Athame on Thessia? Maybe we were too preoccupied to make a living under the ice out there and had our hands full running a Republic to pay attention to what was happening. Or not happening.

The conspiracy is a war crime. From all I know, almost all in the know died on Thessia, those that didn't are put away and exiled, I wasn't there due to relay travel restrictions right after the war but I heard the term yakshi-hunt being used for things that happened on Thessia in 87. Unhappy maidens and matrons in the ruins of their homes (and don’t get me started about the daughters I lost) I guess it's still not much fun to be a matriarch in certain parts of Thessia and maybe some suffered even though they were no part of that deep rooted problem. People like matriarch Epentha of Serrice and matriarch Julena were taking on the responsibility eventually, a new generation of matriarchs stepped up and not too late from what I read.

Lady Mirala, you are still young and matriarchs like you are needed. My time’s bit more limited and I thought I’d have a calmer last century just about a decade ago but here we are.

But what the Thessian disaster also did for asari was one other thing, the colonial republics become more influential now towards Thessia's leading caste with their relief efforts. It currently looks like reverse engineering of an organization structure among the matriarchs of Thessia as we other republican matriarchs were always thinking we had. I mean, I know names of those involved. I remember conferencing with them, even meditating with one or two. And all the while they knew about the beacon, all those centuries. Goddess, it's best I never meet them again personally. I know a few places on Trategos that would just suit them fine.

Lady Mirala has pointed out the responsibility of those of us whose opinion is said to count for something nowadays. Our importance is growing because we are not Thessian matriarchs, maidens look at us more than they did before. There's the time when the maiden colonial Republics become matrons eventually and now they have the attention of the matriarch motherworld. It's the time we help rebuilding the Thessia we were thinking we always had.


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We don’t.

Songbird, keep this in mind. In the 20th Century, Earth's Second World War ended with what was the United States dropping a couple of nukes on Japan. Then, imagine the response of the rest of the world. Still, that global shock didn't stop Earth from being one button away from becoming Tuchanka for the next 160 years.

...What does that have to do with literally anything?

Like it or not, all of us are a lot more alike than you would think. On Earth, nukes were a game-changer. The Prothean artefact on Thessia was the same. In both cases, if whoever was holding the cards told everyone else what they had, things might not have turned out as they did. They might have turned out better. If you can't see that, then you should try fighting a war against seemingly unbeatable odds. It mattered at the time, with the united galaxy pooling it's resources to build the crucible, but it doesn't matter now. We need to focus on getting the galaxy back on it's feet, not reopening old wounds. More than ever, we need to help each other.

...seriously

Are you fucking kidding me (sir)?

Nukes were kept secret because several countries were in an arms race and whoever won won the fucking war. In this case the asari weren't hiding it from an enemy that could use it against them but their own fucking allies who needed to know. hey're not remotely comparable.


Acknowledgement is a whole 'nother kettle of fish to acceptance. I'm not going to just shut up and deal with it because it's 'just the way things are; because that's just a goddamn cop-out, mate.

This isn't just an 'error' that needs to be gently corrected. It takes more than a few apologies and a few excuses 'oh but all those responsible died!'.

But the thing is, the way things are? Who knows if there will even be a proper investigation, any trials, anything. 'Reminders' won't do shit.

They could've at least fucking revealed the beacon at the start of the war. They waited until they needed something from the rest of us-do you honestly think the reveal being just as Thessia was under threat was a coincidence?

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To be a little less facetious, and as pleased with yourself as you sound over getting to turn that around on me, it doesn't really work like that. It is plainly evident that no lessons have been learned, because no learning has been demonstrated. Where, exactly, did this great asari political sea change happen? Surely, it wasn't while everyone wasn't looking, considering how much your society venerates the idea of transparen-- oh. Oh wait.

But I suppose I promised to be a little less facetious.

The point is that the people, your matriarchs, as they call themselves, who made these critical, selfish errors got away with it. At most, they got a slap on the wrist by their peers. For as far as you go to say that the secrecy of the beacon was a 'war crime' (that is wrong, by the way, it was a crime long before there was a war), there have been a startling few of these matriarchs who have been accused of being war criminals. Anyone seeing the disconnect here? Anyone find it a bit surreal that despite all this language that asari are happy to heap onto the act itself, no one's ready to admit that there had to be actors? I haven't seen any of these criminals tried, myself. In fact, I haven't even seen them step down from their offices. At worst, they've been waxing poetic about how their idealism and dreams has and have been blighted by the Reaper invasion.

The mothers of among the most cynical power-plays that this galaxy has seen since the Council's inception.

Instead, the overwhelming sentiment among the asari themselves is self-evident: 'yes, we did something wrong, can we please stop talking about it?'. And in some cases, the bizarre implication that somehow a favour was being done for us, that the asari kept something so important hidden away for so long - to the total contradiction of the very rules they set. Let's not forget that. Asari are plainly uninterested in solving these problems, they're too busy pushing a weirdly pervasive narrative about how it was a 'mistake' or an 'error in judgment', like it was something they meant to do all along, but forgot (a simple, oblique way of dodging responsibility, I might add), when it was anything but.

That, and urging people to stop 'yakshi-hunting' constantly. It's always coming up, 'yakshi-hunting', downplaying criticism because maybe the wrong person is going to hear it (the horror?). Well, maybe that person needed to hear it anyways. Maybe they could take it the right people and maybe something could be done. Isn't that how the much vaunted asari democratic system is supposed to work?

But you'll apologize for what happened, and apologize for who made it happen, and leave it at that. Nothing has to be changed, and no one has to talk about it.

Then don't obliquely accept and approve of apologism for your mistakes.

Aside from the things I already mentioned? Ignoring what I wrote and keep repeating the question over and over because the answer is not pleasing. Is this rehashing a specifically human form of debate? I am not familiar with that then, I am sorry.
But maybe in some other words. The war itself was a sea change, especially on Thessia itself since it didn't leave many of the questionable matriarchs alive and those that did were uncovered and ousted. A shift of responsibility is taking place among the survivors of Thessia as well as between Thessia and the colonial republics. This is a century long ongoing process involving those that live on Thessia and those that now come in from the outside. It’s happening but will happen at our pace, not yours, I'm afraid.

An assembly of matriarchs from a variety of republics is an interesting thing, in no way as homogeneous in opinion as you seem to imagine.
A lot of new people with as many new ideas are taking responsibility on Thessia, and consequentially in the colonial republics as well, no more no less.


It is not a 'title' and it can't be claimed or handed to. But I assume you know that.

Death or secluded exile. I would say no, didn't get away. At least to all that is known today after turning every stone twice. Nobody was put to the wall and shot though, but that because it's not how we do this. You liking that or not is of no consequence.


This is a funny point. What's that supposed to mean? Didn't the asari in your eyes fulfil their quota of war criminals? Sorry so few of the inner circle actually survived and how small that circle really was. A secret of this scope can’t be kept secret if you let in many people all over the place, I think that much is to be agreed on.

Denial of what happened because you weren't present on site? Backread the Thessian Standard of 87 after its relaunch. It is a pretty decent newspaper actually with no attachment to any extreme political wing, their commentaries are very impartial and informative.
Maybe you at least heard the Councillor stepped down? Although to her defence, she’s neither a matriarch nor was part of the inner circle.

As far as I am concerned, you can talk about all you want.
The only thing I can understand is some people stop replying because of personal offensive attacks that have nothing to do with what's to debate and it’s a fairly unproductive and unpleasant way to discuss. I didn't hide the beacon, you didn't invade the Citadel as part of Cerberus (well, I just assume that in good faith for the sake of the point).

Yes... no. See all of the above. Speaking for myself I am very interested in fixing the loopholes that made this possible.

I am not sure I can follow. The yakshi-hunting I was referring to were waves of mistrust against godessknowswho sweeping over Thessia in 87. But I wasn’t there myself, it’s a widely used term though.

I don’t.

Hardly, we wouldn't want to infringe on your schtick. You types tend to get terribly salty whenever that happens.

(But no really, you haven't actually addressed anything, merely cited that oh "I guess it's still not much fun to be a matriarch in certain parts of Thessia and maybe some suffered even though they were no part of that deep rooted problem" and a few examples of top down political change. General angst and more of the same do not a cogent rebuttal make, stop copping out and actually defend what you believe in a way that doesn't insult our intelligence.)

You see you say that, but then you have things like this where you marginalize and undermine, in print, reformative organizations who are demanding change now. Forgive me if I listen to your actions instead of your words, I find one to be a fairly reliable indicator of your government's intentions and the other so much hot, steamy bullshit falling from above.
Oh au contraire my dear, they're still interested in championing exactly the same thing as their predecessors. Themselves. New Matriarchs you mean. Because matriarchs are just the wisest, most capablest people ever and those silly little Maidens and Matrons demanding accountability and access to the political machine are just way in over their head.
You know, you keep saying this and I'm starting to believe this less and less. How many Matriarchs really conveniently "died"? Considering that they would have, one and all, had access to both military communications, military intelligence, some of the best means, and substantial opportunity to flee before the first Brutes started rolling in I'm willing to believe that far fewer died than you're implying.

Also regarding: exile. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey Matriarch hey. You know what's better than forced retirement to a fifty thousand acre manse on some plush garden world with your retinue and servants? Hmmmmmmm?

A trial. Before a Court of Law. Transparent. Followed by a prison sentence and seizure of assets in reparations because I rather doubt that none of those Matriarchs were engaged in some hardcore NSFW-style insider trading considering they had access to the prime engine of asari technological advancement.

But I can understand the new administration not wanting to set a precedent of throwing Matriarchs to the wolves. Someday it might be them about to be hauled off in cuffs and do they really want that?
So basically more of the "poor persecuted asari" routine. "Woe is us have we not suffered enough ;~;". You know, people might take you more seriously if you actually took responsibility for your fuckups without appending of these "but"'s, "however"'s, and fucking "*"'s to everything.

This is Roman Catholic tier martyrdom, you'd think you were all being shot full of arrows as we speak.
Yes and essentially every time her name's brought up in conjunction with her dogfuckery of diplomacy over the course of the war it's usually followed with "that poor baby, her heart must be breaking" or, as we have here, "but she wasn't really at fault". Which, considering the preeminence of Ambassadorship. I rather doubt as an aside.
Can you hear it? Can you hear those sirens shrieking in the distance? Why, I do believe it's the motherfucking tone police! Be sure to be kind and polite even in the face of extreme passive aggression kiddies or the tone police will take your dirty, dirty argument away.
Except it wasn't loopholes. It wasn't something you can just fix with a few pieces of legislation or a handful of Forum meetings. What happened was the result of a pervasive atmosphere of unaccountability and lack of responsibility allowing a number of oligarchs (and considering how massive an operation extracting and processing beacon data would be it's not like this was just three people in their grandmother's basement) to make sweeping and unquestioned decisions on behalf of the asari people. You look at all this god(dess)-worship of the Matriarchs, all the apologism, all the mitigation for their actions and you really don't see it? You look at valid movements with membership in the hundreds of thousands taking to the streets to demand tangible reformation and actually being able to participate meaningfully in politics, to break it out of the mold of being an "Matriarchs Only" playground, and being dismissed as "alarmists" and "yakshi-hunters" and you really don't see it?

The problem is the system. The culture. Inertia. And Matriarchs. It is not going to be solved by, respectively, the system. Or the culture. Or Inertia.

Or Matriarchs.

Except you spent like the entire thread thus far trying to absolve your government and people of any real wrongdoing. Sooooo...liar?

...what are you?

Except they're steadfastly ignoring and discrediting movements from their own people, what makes you think they'd treat outside criticism with any degree of actual consideration. Look at this thread, what about a bona fide Matriarch consistently justifying and excusing selfish decisions that cost a literally uncountable number of lives inspires you to any kind of optimism about this?

No, no it's almost certainly not going to be us. Or people like us.

It'll be them. A nasty little steadily growing problem that the Republics can't ignore, can't wish away, and can't explain away. They're not going to succeed in reclaiming the Nimbus you know, they've already lost too much ground and many of the Republics there have lost too much faith. And, if and when, they do fail it's going to kick in the last rotten timbers of the Old Guard.

I'm almost looking forward to it.

I have heard about protests and demonstrations in several thessian cities over a great many things, not just Serrice. You claim I would marginalize them? In fact I was stating the opposite; all these groups and their claims will add (are adding already) to the formation of a renewed Thessia and I am for that. The problem seems to lie with your prejudiced perception of matriarchs in general, it seems.

Most executive positions in communities are taken by some maidens, mostly matrons anyway. Thessia and the republics run on democratic consensus, achieved in peaceful discussions and a democratic process (peaceful protests are a part of that). Everyone has to face the public opinion of the community, I myself am basically nothing if nobody listens to me. I have no power which can’t be objected by a majority of the community at any time, I can’t overthrow objecting majority opinion.

The only thing that comes for free is age (unavoidably unfortunately) and the social respect I get along with the responsibility. It is true, I am more likely to be listened to in my community than maiden Average but there are on the other hand plenty more maidens and matrons, they are making up the community much more than I do. The moment nobody or just a miniscule minority listens to what I say, I am out of a decision making process, I also can’t force myself over maximum group resistance.

That’s the change of tides I was talking about, many more maidens and matrons will have to and will step up into responsible positions in their communities, it is a question of numbers alone, it is an injection of a new generation of public office holders at younger ages, mingling with some of the remaining older ones. That often enough does not go without friction but that’s a good thing in my opinion, it’s a competition of ideas. The asari republics do not need a new system of toolboxes, it needs and gets new tools to fill them, to be at hand for the community to use. I am all for giving this process the time it takes and yes, it takes time, but it will ensure the foundations are solid and the decisions sustainable.
It’s how the republics maintain inner peace. Yes, I prefer it that way, call me old and stubborn.

The dissolving of an outdated semi-institutionalized religious superstructure that the remnants of the Athme clique around the temple were is only helping to widen the base. Spiritual believes are a private matter in my opinion and have to be kept out of public offices. The pre-war institutionalized matriarchy around the temple was playing this card heavily. That’s over now too.

I do not particularly like the term ‘new Thessia’ but the new Thessia must be a better Thessia, the rectified mother we colonial republics thought we already had.

Just to address your expression of disliking of the republican justice system. This is, to be frank, an inner matter each republic will run without your help or approval. I can assure you though, Serrice or Attena or Armali secluded exile sentences come with a trial and are not what you seem to imagine. Revenge justice is frowned upon where I come from, but it is harsh and some say it is outright cruel. But comprehension may depend on what a centuries long limited existence outside of and separated from any contact to society means to you (if you were asari).

Possible some that are accounted for dead got away, you never can know if there’s no body, right? But for all I care, if they exist they would be also gone and can never come back.. I don’t believe they exist. I wished for others to return where also no bodies were found, but they don’t exist anymore either.

It’s the essence of what you want to say basically, isn’t it? You despise asari culture. Well, I can’t help you.

Tapping my foot to that.