[Rannoch] The New Daestrom Academy opens its Doors.

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[Rannoch] The New Daestrom Academy opens its Doors.

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RANNOCH. Today marks a joyous and historical event for the quarian people as the first university on the planet opens after it's reclamation. Representatives of the Quarian Conclave as well as the Geth Collective were present at the grand opening of the newly-constructed campus, located just outside of the main settlement.

In an emotional speech, Daestrom Project Administrator San'Daala vas Kontei addressed the gathered crowd.

"This is the first product of true good-willed cooperation between the Geth and the Quarians. For centuries our people were deprived of access to the wisdom of their ancestors and their traditions. A millennia worth of knowledge survived in mere databanks, in the form of nothing more than cold digits. Our arts and traditions struggled to stay alive as we took care for the most basic of our needs. But now we can revive our cultural treasures. In the halls of this university, the legacy of our ancestors will finally be inherited by the new generation. Their knowledge brought back to life and passed down once more. The words of long lost languages shall be heard again in these halls and the arts and sciences will flourish!"

A representative of the Collective, who asked to be identified as 'Shann' has also made a few statements
"During the three centuries that spanned between the Morning War and The pressed day, both Creators and Geth have accumulated a large amount of new knowledge across proximately 61 distinct fields. To facilitate the compiled sum of all Creator/Geth information and ensure its proper storage and distribution, an academic educational environment was deemed necessary. Both practical and sentimental reasons were considered before this initiative"

The Daestrom Acadamy was named after the Migrant Fleet ship, QMF Daestrom, a science ship whose archives kept an encyclopedic compendium of Rannoch's civilization alive to this very day and whose science labs helped in realising the leaps of advancement that quarian technology made over the past centuries.

Though the campus is meant to accommodate only about a thousand students, many more applications have been received. The Conclave has reassured the public that expansion works are already underway and all applicants can soon be accepted.

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stardust
Is that really so easy, Garden Guard? While the fact of so many victims ensures not being forgotten in general terms, history wants to get to the root of the issue, the way into the disaster. Nobody planned or foresaw the many victims when the crucial decisions were made. To make the lesson universal, the deciding moments must be examined, the possible signs identified.

To let the history stand as a diffuse and monstrous monument will only cloud the view of those that come after you. History science will make the moment meaningful for times to come. If anything, it can only add to it but will take nothing away, there's no reason to oppose it.







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Maniple
Garden Guard wrote:I'm pretty sure that losing around 90% of the species is a lesson enough to not repeat the same mistakes.
Disproven re: Creator-Remnants's actions in galactic conflict: Evening War; specifically military incursions/mass eradication of Consensus programs in Perseus Veil naval theater.

stardust wrote:Is that really so easy, Garden Guard? While the fact of so many victims ensures not being forgotten in general terms, history wants to get to the root of the issue, the way into the disaster. Nobody planned or foresaw the many victims when the crucial decisions were made.
Incorrect.

Creator-Remnants decisions derived from priority hierarchy created with the intention of maximizing casualties [geth programs; allied organics/organic-synthetic advocates].

Geth consensus building sub-arbitration prioritized maximization re: efficient degradation of Creator-Remnant military-industrial base; economic infrastructure; telecommunications; naval assets; infantry assets; gross population.

To make the lesson universal, the deciding moments must be examined, the possible signs identified.
Clear logic chain [action-reaction] from origin: incept geth sapience to terminus: Creator-Remnant evolutionary bottleneck.
To let the history stand as a diffuse and monstrous monument will only cloud the view of those that come after you. History science will make the moment meaningful for times to come. If anything, it can only add to it but will take nothing away, there's no reason to oppose it.
Intentional distortion of evidence/testimony to excuse current/future actions of organic sovereign entities; anthropomorphization of Synthetic Intelligences; organic bias re: Creator-Remnants; etc.

Historical record will be maintained by Consensus independent of Creator-Remnant action. If circumstances mandate concentrated reintroduction of information into Creator-Remnant media net reintroduction will take place.

Further curation of data by organic Rannochian population is of tangential interest to this program.
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Garden Guard
Maniple wrote:Disproven re: Creator-Remnants's actions in galactic conflict: Evening War; specifically military incursions/mass eradication of Consensus programs in Perseus Veil naval theater.
Point taken, However, due to a lack of a ratified peace treaty the lull in conflict between the "Morning" and "Evening" wars can be construed as a ceasefire, thereby placing the casualties of both military actions under the same war.
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It's full of stars! o.O
I am very glad to hear this news!
What a gorgeous idea! And I already hope to visit Daestrom Academy in the future.
I think the sooner a daily routine can be reached - Including things like establishing and running educational facilities - the easier Rannoch's inhabitants will coalesce again.

Garden Guard wrote:Well, as I heard, they're already working out a few things with some off-world universities to offer a few extranet-based courses.
That would be fantastic! I'd be more than curious to participate some of them if I had the chance.

SlowAndSteady wrote:
Pariah wrote:And how much is the Geth War going to white washed and glossed over, hm?
Annoyed: It is probably best not to dwell on such matters.
I disagree here. I think this is one very important topic for Rannoch's peoples to deal with.
But in a neutral, scientific and reasonable way, regarding that both species did terrible things to each other, and that everybody lost. And -most important of all - that the conflict is over.

SlowAndSteady wrote:This thread will likely dissolve into mutual recriminations from here on.
I think that's a problem I see in most Discussions about Rannoch and it's history - Which is a shame.
Childish recriminations are of no use to anyone, and there is no sense in being emotional about a past no one can change anymore, instead of working on a worthy present for all of Rannoch's inhabitants.

stardust wrote:Nobody planned or foresaw the many victims when the crucial decisions were made.
I'm quite sure it would have been possible to forsee this. Everyone who tries to wipe out a species has to expect resistance. I cannot relate to the fact that those Quarians back then obviousely did not.

Maniple wrote:
Garden Guard wrote:I'm pretty sure that losing around 90% of the species is a lesson enough to not repeat the same mistakes.
Disproven re: Creator-Remnants's actions in galactic conflict: Evening War; specifically military incursions/mass eradication of Consensus programs in Perseus Veil naval theater.
That's the problem. Simply learning about history does not stop anyone from making the same mistakes.
Only responsible-minded behaviour does.

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stardust
Maniple wrote: Historical record will be maintained by Consensus independent of Creator-Remnant action. If circumstances mandate concentrated reintroduction of information into Creator-Remnant media net reintroduction will take place.

Further curation of data by organic Rannochian population is of tangential interest to this program.

Here we have one of the core issues. Common processing of the data (sounds interesting how you tend to adopt this when talking to a geth) is essential for drawing long lasting conclusions and substantial progress. Flushing your view of history as raw data over the quarians now and then will not be sufficient. If you believe that, you have yet to learn a lot about organics but it seems, some geth are interested in a common history approach as are some quarians.

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Maniple
Garden Guard wrote:Point taken, However, due to a lack of a ratified peace treaty the lull in conflict between the "Morning" and "Evening" wars can be construed as a ceasefire, thereby placing the casualties of both military actions under the same war.
Time elapsed in interim [approximately six biological generations] renders counterpoint of minimal relation to greater argumentative structure.

User: Garden Guard's sophistry is discouraged.

It's full of stars! wrote: I disagree here. I think this is one very important topic for Rannoch's peoples to deal with.
But in a neutral, scientific and reasonable way, regarding that both species did terrible things to each other, and that everybody lost.
Incorrect.

Appropriate rephrasing: Creator-Remnants defeated.

I'm quite sure it would have been possible to forsee this. Everyone who tries to wipe out a species has to expect resistance. I cannot relate to the fact that those Quarians back then obviousely did not.
Incorrect.

Resistance accounted for by general Rannochian military structure. Level/variety/extent of resistance was underestimated.

That's the problem. Simply learning about history does not stop anyone from making the same mistakes.
Only responsible-minded behaviour does.
Alternatively: intervention by military assets [naval; atmospheric; armour; infantry].

stardust wrote:Here we have one of the core issues. Common processing of the data (sounds interesting how you tend to adopt this when talking to a geth) is essential for drawing long lasting conclusions and substantial progress.
Conclusions self evident.

Quote/unquote "progress" as qualitated by User: Stardust improbable.

Flushing your view of history as raw data over the quarians now and then will not be sufficient. If you believe that, you have yet to learn a lot about organics but it seems, some geth are interested in a common history approach as are some quarians.
Historical record disproves User: Stardust's assertion re: inefficacy of exploitation of media access. Redefining proposed measure to promote mutual understanding.

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It's full of stars! o.O
Maniple wrote:
It's full of stars! wrote: I disagree here. I think this is one very important topic for Rannoch's peoples to deal with.
But in a neutral, scientific and reasonable way, regarding that both species did terrible things to each other, and that everybody lost.
Incorrect.

Appropriate rephrasing: Creator-Remnants defeated.
Yes, I know that, but I meant something different:
Both sides suffered more than enough losses. That's what I meant by "Everybody lost".
Sorry for the inaccuracy.

Maniple wrote:
I'm quite sure it would have been possible to forsee this. Everyone who tries to wipe out a species has to expect resistance. I cannot relate to the fact that those Quarians back then obviousely did not.
Incorrect.

Resistance accounted for by general Rannochian military structure. Level/variety/extent of resistance was underestimated.
Ah, okay, I did not know that. Thank you for the information.

Maniple wrote:
That's the problem. Simply learning about history does not stop anyone from making the same mistakes.
Only responsible-minded behaviour does.
Alternatively: intervention by military assets [naval; atmospheric; armour; infantry].
Yes, that would work too, but really should not be the first idea to come up with.
Rather the choice to take after everything else failed.

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Pariah
Incorrect.

Appropriate rephrasing: Creator-Remnants defeated.

Defeated is just a polite way to phrase "committed genocide against the quarians murdered over 90% of their population"
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Maniple
Pariah wrote:Defeated is just a polite way to phrase "committed genocide against the quarians murdered over 90% of their population"
Incorrect.

Parsing.

Appropriate Rephrasing: quote/unquote "Defeated is just a succinct/accurate way to phrase 'committed xenocide against the quarians with a success rate of ninety nine plus percent [theoretical success rate taking assuming full utilization of extant Consensus military assets of the period higher] thus reducing said population by corresponding proportion.'".
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Pariah
Maniple wrote: Parsing.

Appropriate Rephrasing: quote/unquote "Defeated is just a succinct/accurate way to phrase 'committed xenocide against the quarians with a success rate of ninety nine plus percent [theoretical success rate taking assuming full utilization of extant Consensus military assets of the period higher] thus reducing said population by corresponding proportion.'".

Just shut up, machine. Every post made doesn't need "parsing" followed by the most passive aggressive toaster in existence posting the same thing in more words
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Proof Of Concept Heal, repair and transform the galaxy.
The stars must be in alignment, I actually agree with Pariah.

Though I've never called anyone a 'toaster'.

As for Daestrom Academy I've enrolled in a couple of their massively online classes.
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Pariah
It wrote:
Though I've never called anyone a 'toaster'.


I assume this is because you are one of the things abandoning your soul in favor of becoming something else entirely.
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It's full of stars! o.O
Pariah wrote:
It wrote: Though I've never called anyone a 'toaster'.
I assume this is because you are one of the things abandoning your soul in favor of becoming something else entirely.
What do you mean???
(I never called anyone 'Toaster' either.)

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Pariah
It's full of stars! wrote: What do you mean???
(I never called anyone 'Toaster' either.)

The things you people are letting into your suits
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It's full of stars! o.O
You mean the programs to help you adapting to Rannoch faster?
That's a medical procedure, no brain washing. (And no one is forced to do it.)
How exactly would this be abandoning my soul?
I'm sorry, I really don't understand.

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asari_​promiscuity
Late to the party, but it's great to see this announced publicly; we've been hearing bits and pieces about the work underway during chats with our Rannoch co-developers (thought one of them kept calling it 'Institute' rather than 'Academy'; translation variance, perhaps).

Maniple wrote:Clarification: quote/unquote "healing" implies restoration to point at/analogous to natural state.
...yes? That's a desirable pursuit.

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Proof Of Concept Heal, repair and transform the galaxy.
It's full of stars! wrote:You mean the programs to help you adapting to Rannoch faster?
That's a medical procedure, no brain washing. (And no one is forced to do it.)
How exactly would this be abandoning my soul?
I'm sorry, I really don't understand.

She's attacking me in particular. I'm probably a little further down that path than you. I like cybernetics, I'd be fine altering myself to better understand Geth thought, and I can't say that gravity is down without Pariah attacking me.

Kind of sad, I've never even met her in real life.

asari_promiscuity wrote:Late to the party, but it's great to see this announced publicly; we've been hearing bits and pieces about the work underway during chats with our Rannoch co-developers (thought one of them kept calling it 'Institute' rather than 'Academy'; translation variance, perhaps).

Maniple wrote:Clarification: quote/unquote "healing" implies restoration to point at/analogous to natural state.
...yes? That's a desirable pursuit.

I think what Maniple is saying (correct me if I'm wrong, or use a standard parser, or warble) is that it's never actually been good. The state of "Geth and Quarians sharing Rannoch with both fully acknowledged as sentient" has not existed before now so we cannot be restored to it.

HOWEVER, since it is entirely possible to be born sick and for the process of healing to instead bring them up to the highest possible level of functioning, this just shows that Maniple is terrible at natural language.
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Pariah
She's attacking me in particular. I'm probably a little further down that path than you. I like cybernetics, I'd be fine altering myself to better understand Geth thought, and I can't say that gravity is down without Pariah attacking me.

And this is why you can't be called quarian. Or even a person anymore. You're just a bunch of meat and bones with aspirations of being a geth.

[quote=It's full of stars! wrote:]
How exactly would this be abandoning my soul? (/quote]

You're surrendering your soul to the geth in favor of getting your immune systems back.


[quote=It's full of stars! wrote:]
That's a medical procedure, no brain washing. (/quote]

That you know of. What thing has had far more interaction with the Reapers and indoctrination technology than any other in the galaxy?
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Capice Shepard Lives!
Pariah wrote: That you know of. What thing has had far more interaction with the Reapers and indoctrination technology than any other in the galaxy?

Ooh, ooh, I know this one!

Commander Shepard/

BAM.

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Pariah
Capice wrote: Ooh, ooh, I know this one!

Commander Shepard/

BAM.

What species idiot.

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