Have you done your part?

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PlayingWithScience
Gilgamesh wrote:
"PM To PlayingWithScience"Negative Twenty Seven, you need some work done on that thermo? Found some speakers in the Reston Apartments, might be able to rig something so you can get some of the more basic status updates via audio.

"PM To Gilgamesh"Thanks. I'd appreciate that. If there's something important that needs doing though don't let me keep you from it. I'm enough of a drain without me taking away those who can actually do something useful from their jobs.
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Songbird
Before we get any farther with this jingoistic screed, what exactly is my 'part' and why am I obligated to further it?
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Unity Makes Strength
Schmidt Solutions wrote:UMS, could be please elaborate on the "criminal element" and "suspicious activity" and "self-enrichment"?
I want to make sure when I report something, it is actually important.
The main focus here are black marketeers trying to sell stolen and/or illegal goods. There's also suspicious activity; people who go places were they aren't supposed to be and asking technical questions about strategically sensitive installations. You know the usual counter terrorist stuff.

Songbird wrote:Before we get any farther with this jingoistic screed, what exactly is my 'part' and why am I obligated to further it?
Since I do not know you I would refer you to the list above as suggestions in the first part what you might do to contribute, or I invite you to think about it at and find your own path.

And you are not obligated, these suggestions are just that they suggestions for you to do or not do.

-- Lieutenant W. Stockwell
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Schmidt Solutions Small Arms, Military Surplus, Omni-tools, Mods (standart and custom made)
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You know the usual counter terrorist stuff.
I see, thanks that alleviates some of my concerns I had over the words you chose. With groups like SN out there I understand that the brass is nervous.

"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." - Judge Aaron Satie
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j_​proctor eats faberge eggs for breakfast
I am glad to see this fairly reasonable, somewhat creepy advertisement has ushered in the usual breathless indignation from the cretinous masses.

PlayingWithScience wrote:It goes beyond being idiotic. It's insulting. I want to know when my colony gets to keep enough resources to rebuild.
Oh, goody. A colonial.

No doubt you deeply believe in that precocious little cranium of yours that you don't owe Earth anything, even though you, your colony and your entire species would not exist without it. No doubt you loudly protest to your fellow malcontents that their particular God-given shitspot in the galaxy would be better off without the Alliance, probably five minutes after an Alliance task-force saved your little cesspit from enslavement. And even now, with hundreds of thousands of people dying every day, because the planet literally cannot recover its infrastructure fast enough to save them, and so requires every little drop of iridium, eezo or any other precious resource it can get it hands on, you have the sheer temerity to complain because it's like soooooo cold outside a bloo bloo bloo~

Tell you what, sport? Your colony should be safe. After all, it is under the protection of the Alliance - which is also partly responsible for the galaxy still existing. I trust that this knowledge will so overwhelm you with gratitude that you will be prevented from moaning for all of five nanoseconds.

hierarchy_dad wrote:1. Nope, not going to, and you people wouldn't let me anyway.
Treason tends to get you disqualified, for some reason.

Songbird wrote:Before we get any farther with this jingoistic screed, what exactly is my 'part' and why am I obligated to further it?
Why would I want to help preserve my species?

I have so much more important things to do, like making cynical comments on an extranet forum against a diplomatic functionary just trying to do his job.

Gilgamesh wrote:Ah, so 'financially ruin yourself in the wake of the worst holocaust in history' for the cause.
Because it makes far more financial sense to not have children and die alone in a state-owned retirement home, you sentient sack of wank.
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Saoirse LotI here, Aka Seamus.
Of the many, MANY faults of the current Systems Alliance government, encouraging people to have families is not one of them. You need people to rebuild, and we would be hearing the exact same speech regardless of whether it's a civilian or military government in power.

So if you're going to bellyache about the Alliance please use one of the more legitimate concerns, yeah?
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Songbird
j_proctor wrote:Why would I want to help preserve my species?
The implication I'm understanding from this statement is that somehow SATAE's wellbeing and the wellbeing of the human species are one in the same.
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HereToHelp President of the Leaving The Ducts non profit organization.
That's typical Alliance communication, good ideas made creepy by a coat of ultra-patriotic military talk. Let's look at it step by step.

First of all your nickname is terrible. It's patronizing and heavy handed. If you want to pass as one of the fellas, use something else.

Unity Makes Strength wrote:Hello, my name is William Stockwell, I work at the Systems Alliance Embassy for Envoy Adreani but I come to you not as a Systems Alliance employee but as a concerned citizen and human, to ask you my fellow citizens; have you done your part?

BAM! You can't get worse than that. "Hey guys, I'm not here to talk about the Alliance, but let's talk about the Alliance. NOBODY says "my fellow citizens" if they're not trying sell them snake oil. And "have you done your part"? You don't get people on your side with a heavy handed guilting trip.


It is true it has been over a year since the end of the Reaper wars, but there is so much still to do and we all need to work together to make humanities future a bright one. So here some helpful suggestions in how to help your species reach its full promise.

Unity Makes Strength wrote:
  • Join the Systems Alliance, we are always looking for skilled and dedicated people both in combat roles and support rolls. The Systems Alliance offers good working conditions, decent pay, multiple perks and a large array of advancement opportunities.

  • That's alright, nothing we didn't hear dozens of times though.

    Unity Makes Strength wrote:
  • Stay Alert, while the war and combat operations are over we should all stay alert and report any suspicious activity. The criminal element could use our current weakened state to further their bid for self-enrichment. The Systems Alliance is there to protect you, but we need your help in finding problems early.

  • This can convey the idea that the only crimes worth reporting are the ones that hurt the Alliance's wallet. This is not the right way to say it.

    Unity Makes Strength wrote:
  • If you live in a green zone, you should really consider expanding your family if you have the means to support it. Either by adoption of one of the many war-orphans or by natural means. The Systems Alliance will offer financial support for those that choose to expand the human family.

  • Quote some numbers here, so people will know it's not like 10 creds per year per child, but really something that will help feed and clothe them.

    Unity Makes Strength wrote:
  • Follow lawful instructions by Systems Alliance personnel, your safety and the safety of others could depend on it. The Systems Alliance personnel are dedicated to your wellbeing, if they request you to do something it is for a good reason.
  • [/ol]

    Sorry but power abuse are far from unheard of, and ignoring them will alienate your readers.

    Unity Makes Strength wrote: I thank you for taking the time to read this and I hope to have inspired you to help us make humanity great for Unity Makes Strength.

    I think I mentioned something about ultra patriotism? People don't like it.


    Unity Makes Strength wrote:There seems to be a miscommunication. The Systems Alliance will not pay people to take liberties

    Ok, Job was presenting your plan in a fun and engaging way. He was doing your job. Don't correct him.


    Again, I support the alliance effort and the 5 years plan, but I'm not surprised that many colonials don't react well to it. The government has a pedagogy duty, and the System Alliance sucks sweaty balls at it.

    Leaving the Ducts offer a training, support and professional opportunities to all Citadel Orphans.
    We're based on Tayseri Wards, ask me information!
    Donations are much appreciated.
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    PlayingWithScience
    j_proctor wrote:No doubt you deeply believe in that precocious little cranium of yours that you don't owe Earth anything, even though you, your colony and your entire species would not exist without it. No doubt you loudly protest to your fellow malcontents that their particular God-given shitspot in the galaxy would be better off without the Alliance, probably five minutes after an Alliance task-force saved your little cesspit from enslavement.
    Hilarious. My colony was not saved by the Alliance. My colony was never saved by the Alliance. My colony was abandoned by the Alliance you moronic sack of shit. The only reason we are on this world in the first place is because we were left to deal with the Reapers on our own. We had no Alliance help, no support, nothing. We dealt with the Reapers by ourselves because the Alliance couldn't be arsed to evacuate us.

    j_proctor wrote:And even now, with hundreds of thousands of people dying every day, because the planet literally cannot recover its infrastructure fast enough to save them, and so requires every little drop of iridium, eezo or any other precious resource it can get it hands on, you have the sheer temerity to complain because it's like soooooo cold outside a bloo bloo bloo~
    If you feel sub zero temperatures aren't so bad how about you come over here outside your comfortable little house and enjoy the frostbite you simpering cunt? I think you ought to have fun having various appendages amputated. You don't need your fingers much do you? You can probably masturbate for the Alliance with stumps. Also I would note that a hundred thousand or so dead per day was pretty much the norm on Earth before the Reapers rocked up, that's the hazrd of having a population of billions. Manipulative politician is manipulative. What a bloody shock.

    j_proctor wrote:Tell you what, sport? Your colony should be safe. After all, it is under the protection of the Alliance - which is also partly responsible for the galaxy still existing. I trust that this knowledge will so overwhelm you with gratitude that you will be prevented from moaning for all of five nanoseconds.
    Oh our colony is very safe. Our little crater is quite safe indeed. The people living on it not so much. I'll get back to you when we have basic amenities like housing, heating, and basic medical care. So in about five years or so. I trust the knowledge that people outside of your insignificant corner of the galaxy are having a tough time of it too will cause you to shut your blabbering trap for about five nanoseconds. Of course that's about all that can be expected from politicians such as yourself. Heaven forbid you should do anything useful. Like dying in a ditch and sparing the species the continuation of your no doubt equally useless genes.
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    j_​proctor eats faberge eggs for breakfast
    PlayingWithScience wrote:Hilarious. My colony was not saved by the Alliance. My colony was never saved by the Alliance. My colony was abandoned by the Alliance you moronic sack of shit. The only reason we are on this world in the first place is because we were left to deal with the Reapers on our own. We had no Alliance help, no support, nothing. We dealt with the Reapers by ourselves because the Alliance couldn't be arsed to evacuate us.
    Before the Reapers, your squalid outpost was preserved from interspecies piracy and external aggression by - you betcha - the Alliance. They may have been somewhat distracted during the war, what with a quarter of their overall strength wiped out within a week. I do apologise that they could not spare a carrier to protect your strategically vital swamp while the Reapers were stomping all over the homeworld. But hey, you dealt with the Reapers by yourselves, right? I assume you and the rest of the Jacobites were on the front-lines of the Battle of the Citadel, which saved this galaxy and by extension your colony (or is it the other way round?) from abject annihilation.

    PlayingWithScience wrote:If you feel sub zero temperatures aren't so bad how about you come over here outside your comfortable little house and enjoy the frostbite you simpering cunt?
    halp halp how mak fire without iridium

    PlayingWithScience wrote:Oh our colony is very safe. Our little crater is quite safe indeed.
    So stop whining.
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    hierarchy_​dad
    Aaaand thread is good for renaming into "HUMAN THREAD - THE SEPARATISM TALK"

    "Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past." - George Orwell
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    PlayingWithScience
    j_proctor wrote:Before the Reapers, your squalid outpost was preserved from interspecies piracy and external aggression by - you betcha - the Alliance. They may have been somewhat distracted during the war, what with a quarter of their overall strength wiped out within a week. I do apologise that they could not spare a carrier to protect your strategically vital swamp while the Reapers were stomping all over the homeworld. But hey, you dealt with the Reapers by yourselves, right? I assume you and the rest of the Jacobites were on the front-lines of the Battle of the Citadel, which saved this galaxy and by extension your colony (or is it the other way round?) from abject annihilation.
    Why the hell would we want this place protected? One day and they could have had everyone off of this rock. And I assume the Alliance saved the galaxy all by its lonesome? Oh wait. How about we send our iridium to the Hierarchy and the Republics? Clearly they deserve our gratitude as well.

    j_proctor wrote:
    PlayingWithScience wrote:If you feel sub zero temperatures aren't so bad how about you come over here outside your comfortable little house and enjoy the frostbite you simpering cunt?
    halp halp how mak fire without iridium
    Help help! How make logic without teleprompter?!

    j_proctor wrote:
    PlayingWithScience wrote:Oh our colony is very safe. Our little crater is quite safe indeed.
    So stop whining.
    After you stop shifting your goalposts I'll give it a little thought.
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    j_​proctor eats faberge eggs for breakfast
    hierarchy_dad wrote:Aaaand thread is good for renaming into "HUMAN THREAD - THE SEPARATISM TALK"
    This is a Hierarchy plot, isn't it? No wonder the OP is spouting that Norsefire-esque slogan.

    PlayingWithScience wrote:Why the hell would we want this place protected? One day and they could have had everyone off of this rock. And I assume the Alliance saved the galaxy all by its lonesome? Oh wait. How about we send our iridium to the Hierarchy and the Republics? Clearly they deserve our gratitude as well.
    Feel free to, although I should warn you that the Hierarchy is even less tolerant of incessantly moaning separatists than I am.

    Help help! How make logic without teleprompter?!
    Allow me to break it down for you:

    1. get wood
    2. moan.
    3. get rocks
    4. moan.
    5. smack, smack
    6. moan.
    7. maek fire
    8. moan.
    9. There is no point 9.
    10. moan.

    After you stop shifting your goalposts I'll give it a little thought.
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    RememberTheBlitz
    Hundreds of thousands of people have been dying on Earth each day for the past few centuries.


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    j_​proctor eats faberge eggs for breakfast
    RememberTheBlitz wrote:Hundreds of thousands of people have been dying on Earth each day for the past few centuries.
    Except those centuries were not in the midst of a demographic crisis caused by the sudden liquidation of over a billion people, nor did those deaths exceed the global birth rate.
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    PlayingWithScience
    j_proctor wrote:Allow me to break it down for you:

    1. get wood
    2. moan.
    3. get rocks
    4. moan.
    5. smack, smack
    6. moan.
    7. maek fire
    8. moan.
    9. There is no point 9.
    10. moan.
    Allow me to break this down for you. Ur is 20 below 0 in the summer. Guess how many trees there are. Guess how many fires we need to keep 5000 people warm. I'll let you figure out the math.

    Nobody who lives here gives a damn if the colony is safe while we freeze to death on it in case you have not yet figured this out.
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    j_​proctor eats faberge eggs for breakfast
    PlayingWithScience wrote:Allow me to break this down for you. Ur is 20 below 0 in the summer. Guess how many trees there are. Guess how many fires we need to keep 5000 people warm. I'll let you figure out the math.
    So you play on your omni-tool instead of signalling someone for help? Oh, I forget. That would take initiative and action, and would deprive you of precious minutes with which to criticise the Alliance.

    PlayingWithScience wrote:Nobody who lives here gives a damn if the colony is safe while we freeze to death on it in case you have not yet figured this out.
    In that case, send your coordinates Slaves4U's way and they'll have you in comfort in no time.
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    Gilgamesh
    j_proctor wrote: No doubt you deeply believe in that precocious little cranium of yours that you don't owe Earth anything, even though you, your colony and your entire species would not exist without it. No doubt you loudly protest to your fellow malcontents that their particular God-given shitspot in the galaxy would be better off without the Alliance, probably five minutes after an Alliance task-force saved your little cesspit from enslavement.

    I can't speak for Science, but I was pro-Alliance until a few months after rebuilding started. And my opinion there changed because know they're basically strangling our economy to death while we freeze. This isn't about 'the alliance isn't protecting us', this is about 'the alliance is fucking us up the ass'.

    And even now, with hundreds of thousands of people dying every day, because the planet literally cannot recover its infrastructure fast enough to save them,

    And us in the colonies are freezing to death because we can't rebuild our infrastructure fast enough to save ourselves because you are taking our only export.

    and so requires every little drop of iridium, eezo or any other precious resource it can get it hands on, you have the sheer temerity to complain because it's like soooooo cold outside a bloo bloo bloo~

    We're complaining because we're losing people to exposure and the elements because what little we can mine is being taken back to earth you gigantic bitch. You're not the only planet with wrecked infrastructure and people dying to exposure, and we don't get galactic help and the bonus of having the fucking Citadel in orbit to ensure there're always aid workers coming by.

    Because it makes far more financial sense to not have children and die alone in a state-owned retirement home, you sentient sack of wank.

    Or, you know, we could wait a few years until our infrastructure isn't wrecked and we've got enough heat to keep people from freezing to death.
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    PlayingWithScience
    j_proctor wrote:
    PlayingWithScience wrote:Allow me to break this down for you. Ur is 20 below 0 in the summer. Guess how many trees there are. Guess how many fires we need to keep 5000 people warm. I'll let you figure out the math.
    So you play on your omni-tool instead of signalling someone for help? Oh, I forget. That would take initiative.

    PlayingWithScience wrote:Nobody who lives here gives a damn if the colony is safe while we freeze to death on it in case you have not yet figured this out.
    In that case, send your coordinates Slave4U's way and they'll have you in comfort in no time.
    Christ woman you're a tremendous fucking cunt. I'm fucking blind. I use a fucking speech to text program for both posting and work. Getting off this rock requires money. Which we do not have. Because this colony's source of income is fucking iridium. Which is being requisitioned by the Alliance.

    And does not want to freeze to death equals wants to be slaves? What the fuck are you smoking you fucking bimbo? Do I need to spell out what we want? I can retype this entire post in the smallest possible words so that it doesn't hurt your itty bitty brain if it helps.
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    EmileOB
    1) Already an Alliance employee, I'll have you know. Maybe not as part of the military, but I've been forced to fight before and I'll be buggered if I'm going to voluntarily put myself through that again.

    2) Short of reporting crimes and whatnot to C-SEC if I notice them (which people should be doing already anyway), there isn't much more I can do. Unless you want me to plant security cameras in various places like those paranoiac "neighbourhood watch" people.

    3) Now, here's a problem:
    The Systems Alliance will offer financial support for those that choose to expand the human family.
    What if I've already procreated (through natural means, yes) but produced non-human offspring? My daughter is asari, but she's got dual Alliance/Republics citizenship; as far as I can tell, she's legally as human as I am.
    Or is that treason now?

    4) Wow, loopholes. Is it compulsory to buy a Marine a drink when they ask, then? Get up and dance if an Embassy staffer tells me to? There's nothing illegal about either of those, but neither would it be life-threatening if I refused, just a bit rude.
    In fact, thinking about it, your wording suggests you'd be compelled to do anything I tell you as well. Being Systems Alliance personnel and all.

    In light of this... please paint yourself green and introduce yourself as "Cactus McTeapot" to the next dignitary you meet at the Embassy. There's a good reason for it!

    Emile O Bhroin, token biotic in the Systems Alliance's Biotic Relations department.
    There had to be at least one of us.

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