[Alliance] Soldiers Brutalize Protesters

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Soldiers Brutalize Protesters

Ki Seong - Freedom Post

CONSTANT, EDEN PRIME - In the latest in a string of Alliance brutality on colonial protesters, violence broke out during a speech by Central Constant Adjutant Staff Lieutenant Lakshmama Gopinath, who had been attempting to quell unrest and dissatisfaction with the Alliance occupation of Eden Prime earlier today.

Alliance marines, with the aid of the Constant Police Department, charged the protesters and onlookers after Adjutant Gopinath was forced to leave the premises when the crowd became upset, using brute force, electric stunning weapons, and tear gas to cut off escape before beginning a vicious assault that culminated in 42 detainments and an unknown number of casualties.

Sources within the Police Department claim that they had been intimidated into action by the Alliance marines, who - they say - were ‘itching’ for a fight, and carrying concealed weapons. One police corporal noted overhearing one junior Alliance officer inform his men to ‘not wait for orders’ and called the onlookers - many who were young families, students, and curious hopefuls - ‘activist pricks.’ Another police officer noted that he saw several marines taking bets on how long it would be before they were able to fight, and several counting ‘kills’ during the attack.

Locals claim that the attack was retaliation for the misadventures of children and teenagers who had wandered too close to the Alliance base and accidently hit a marine patrolman with skipping stones.

“Our mission here is to protect the populace,” claimed Staff Commander Barry Olivier, the battalion commander for the Alliance Marines stationed in Constant, “not terrorize them. An investigation has already begun, and those responsible for these brutalities will be dealt with.”
Alliance officials in Constant refused to comment.

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VictusDaMan
That shit is WACK, bro. Gopinath, duuuudeee, you get the situation crazy, then you bail out! That ain't right, buddy.

He should've went: "Yo, colonial cousins, take a chill pill."

And the colonials were all: "Dude, we don't want no chill pills. We wanna bang, bro."

And Gopinath was like: "C'mon man! Check out those dudes by your sides. You ain't got a chance."

And the colonist went: "Shit, man! We... probably wouldn't have any chance. You wouldn't lie to us, would you?"

Gopinath was all: "Nah, bro, that ain't me."

And that's how the situation was resolved.

Alternatively, shoot all the separatist motherfuckers. That's the reward every traitor deserves.

True story, bro.
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Skhash The Drummer
Kage wrote:Also, if the point of that speech was to thaw relations between the Alliance and the colonists, maybe having a contingent of Marines nearby wasn't such a good idea.

maybe someone up top wanted to cause a riot for some reason?

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CDEM-Sgt Vigilantiam, Sacrificium, non unum passus conversus
Kage wrote:Since this appears to be "Gang up on the colonist", might as well play Devil's Advocate here.

The bias, of course, is so painfully obvious, Thomas Paine would say he was unsubtle. But well, you'd have to admit, for something like this to occur implies that the situation on Eden Prime may not be as content as the Alliance wants to believe.

Also, if the point of that speech was to thaw relations between the Alliance and the colonists, maybe having a contingent of Marines nearby wasn't such a good idea.
Everyone knows that the situation on Eden Prime is not as content as the Alliance would like people to believe. We are talking about the planet whose previous governor compared immigrants from Earth to a bloody husk invasion.

And perhaps having a contingent of Marines stationed nearby was not ideal. But if this article indicates the loyalties of the police department I certainly wouldn't trust those guys to control a riot.
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VikSajee I'm still free
You'd think after a geth/husk invasion, pan-galatic war where they were occupied by a terrorist group and the burden of reconstruction people would be able to prioritize themselves better in what matters. Hell, I'm surprised the colonists are pissed off an Alliance garrison is there in the first place. You'd think after all those times the colony has been hit and hard they'd be more welcoming.

Usually I'd sympathize with the protestors, but to be honest I don't get their reasoning for the Marines hating them. A kid accidentally skipped a rock that hit someone? Why would you go skipping stones next to a military base? Is this a human thing? Unless of course the article is lying and they actually did something to intentionally provoke or harm the Marines. You know me, I never did trust news sources, from anyone. Especially when one of those sources is a cop who is passing the buck to the Marines. Not exactly earning my confidence when you're trying to shift blame.
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Mortak
VictusDaMan wrote: Alternatively, shoot all the separatist motherfuckers. That's the reward every traitor deserves.

OR, and this is just me going out on a limb here,

repeal SATAE.

Seems like that'd work too. Pretty well.

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Nat
Redline wrote:
VictusDaMan wrote: Alternatively, shoot all the separatist motherfuckers. That's the reward every traitor deserves.

OR, and this is just me going out on a limb here,

repeal SATAE.

Seems like that'd work too. Pretty well.

SATAE doesn't effect Eden Prime idiot. SATAE=Earth's temporary government. Eden Prime has always been under the Systems Alliance's government and we are well within our rights to have a garrison here. If we didn't they'd be easy pickings.

CDEM-Sgt wrote:
Kage wrote:Since this appears to be "Gang up on the colonist", might as well play Devil's Advocate here.

The bias, of course, is so painfully obvious, Thomas Paine would say he was unsubtle. But well, you'd have to admit, for something like this to occur implies that the situation on Eden Prime may not be as content as the Alliance wants to believe.

Also, if the point of that speech was to thaw relations between the Alliance and the colonists, maybe having a contingent of Marines nearby wasn't such a good idea.
Everyone knows that the situation on Eden Prime is not as content as the Alliance would like people to believe. We are talking about the planet whose previous governor compared immigrants from Earth to a bloody husk invasion.

And perhaps having a contingent of Marines stationed nearby was not ideal. But if this article indicates the loyalties of the police department I certainly wouldn't trust those guys to control a riot.

The SAMC was there because the CPD got screwed during the Cerberus Occupation. They always go for the garrison and cops first. So we were there because they didn't have enough bodies. Hell, we didn't even wear our armour in order to keep things calm-we had less equipment than the cops did. It was the cops who used the water cannon on them.

Skhash The Drummer wrote:
Kage wrote:Also, if the point of that speech was to thaw relations between the Alliance and the colonists, maybe having a contingent of Marines nearby wasn't such a good idea.

maybe someone up top wanted to cause a riot for some reason?

what.


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Mikemerc
Redline wrote:repeal SATAE.

Not gonna happen.

I'll be amazed if they keep to the five year plan.

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ForsanNex
Nat wrote:we didn't even wear our armour in order to keep things calm-we had less equipment than the cops did.

Well no wonder they attacked, that kind of thing just makes them think you're weak.

Never take off your armor. Ever.

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Now teaching whelps history for a living.
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Mortak
Well, I'm unhappy with SATAE for obvious reasons, and their policies DO effect Eden Prime. 'Net neutral economy durrhurrdurr. Rebuild Grorious Mother Erff!' But none of that's really relevant to the matter of the news article. I'll get on the soapbox later when my views receive some confirmation even YOU can't argue. One thing I need to point out here - a lot of people are willing and ready to break out the 'journalist is a biased hack' excuse. HMMMMMMM. I WONDER WHY.

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VikSajee I'm still free
Nat still seems to have a point, Eden Prime has been hit hard by a lot of things in recent years. People were complaining about the fact the Alliance failed to stop the Geth Attack all those years ago. Now, after an occupation by Cerberus, they've finally decided to keep a regular garrison there acknowledging their place as a part of the Systems Alliance that deserve regular formidable security. And now they want them off world again. Seems like you can't please anybody.

Is there any particular reason the protestors have singled out the Marines or for the Marines to have it out for the protestors?
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Nat
Redline wrote:Well, I'm unhappy with SATAE for obvious reasons, and their policies DO effect Eden Prime. 'Net neutral economy durrhurrdurr. Rebuild Grorious Mother Erff!' But none of that's really relevant to the matter of the news article. I'll get on the soapbox later when my views receive some confirmation even YOU can't argue. One thing I need to point out here - a lot of people are willing and ready to break out the 'journalist is a biased hack' excuse. HMMMMMMM. I WONDER WHY.

Because the journalist is a biased hack. They charged us. Marines are the ones in hospital. A good officer and a good man is wearing this and he deserves better. My Marines do not deserve this bullshit.

It's nothing about 'Mother Earth'it's about the vast majority of the human population living on the worst hit planet. Eden Prime has nothing on Earth. Historically the colonies have profited from the Alliance in immense ways.

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VikSajee wrote:Nat still seems to have a point, Eden Prime has been hit hard by a lot of things in recent years. People were complaining about the fact the Alliance failed to stop the Geth Attack all those years ago. Now, after an occupation by Cerberus, they've finally decided to keep a regular garrison there acknowledging their place as a part of the Systems Alliance that deserve regular formidable security. And now they want them off world again. Seems like you can't please anybody.

Is there any particular reason the protestors have singled out the Marines or for the Marines to have it out for the protestors?

Look, Eden Prime has had it rough. I like some of the people here, some of the Marines are Primeans, most of the people at that speech left before it turned violent etc etc.

But seriously man? We've always had a garrison here. I'll pay not protecting them from Cerberus-we gave them intel and that was abot it-but Eden Prime? No one suspected that was going to happen. We lost whole battalions in the attack (that's thousands of Marines) and we counterattacked*. This garrison is no different to others that have been in Constant.

As for why? They were angry, we were wearing Alliance blue, and we didn't have a water cannon.

RememberTheBlitz wrote:
Nat wrote:
Redline wrote:
VictusDaMan wrote: Alternatively, shoot all the separatist motherfuckers. That's the reward every traitor deserves.

OR, and this is just me going out on a limb here,

repeal SATAE.

Seems like that'd work too. Pretty well.

SATAE doesn't effect Eden Prime idiot. SATAE=Earth's temporary government. Eden Prime has always been under the Systems Alliance's government and we are well within our rights to have a garrison here. If we didn't they'd be easy pickings.

Strangely enough, I don't recall Eden Prime operating under martial authority before the war. In fact I do believe the colony had a perfectly functioning civilian government after the war ended, until the Alliance decided to replace it.

All of the Alliance is under martial law. The Alliance government supercedes colonial administrations. Eden Prime is not special.

Also that guy was a wanker and encouraging violence against Earthers.

First Sergeant Natalie King, 2/4th Marines
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*CDNers have stated they were part of a counterattack on Eden Prime so eh.
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RememberTheBlitz
Nat wrote:
Redline wrote:
VictusDaMan wrote: Alternatively, shoot all the separatist motherfuckers. That's the reward every traitor deserves.

OR, and this is just me going out on a limb here,

repeal SATAE.

Seems like that'd work too. Pretty well.

SATAE doesn't effect Eden Prime idiot. SATAE=Earth's temporary government. Eden Prime has always been under the Systems Alliance's government and we are well within our rights to have a garrison here. If we didn't they'd be easy pickings.

Strangely enough, I don't recall Eden Prime operating under martial authority before the war. In fact I do believe the colony had a perfectly functioning civilian government after the war ended, until the Alliance decided to replace it.


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Mortak
Nat wrote: Because the journalist is a biased hack. They charged us. Marines are the ones in hospital. A good officer and a good man is wearing this and he deserves better. My Marines do not deserve this bullshit.

It's nothing about 'Mother Earth'it's about the vast majority of the human population living on the worst hit planet. Eden Prime has nothing on Earth. Historically the colonies have profited from the Alliance in immense ways.

OK, for the record, your Marines are in the hospital? Boo-fucking-hoo. They're soldiers. They signed up for this shit. They officially lose the right to complain, and you lose the right to bitch whenever one of your Alliance goons falls and scrapes their fucking knee.

And really, if you went in there and DIDN'T expect them to charge you, you're fucking stupid. Think about it - you're Marines. On a colony. With a known colonial separatist element among the population, your guys are enforcing the Five Year Plan and performing police duties when you have no business actually doing so. And the jarheads went in without full gear. Are you seriously telling me that on some level, you thought this was a good idea? Really? If this is what your guys walk into, willingly, then they DO deserve this bullshit.

Now, onto the majority of the human population living on the worst-hit planet - Why didn't they leave beforehand? Seriously. I left Earth a long time ago, never looked back. They stuck around. No excuses. The Reapers hit, so sorry, I can sympathize, but really - they don't get to squander colonial resources with a vague and easily-redefined plan, to be backed up by military force, for the purposes of 'saving' the majority of the human population when they could have, at any point prior to the invasion, packed up and left.

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Blue_​Baker
Well, excuse them for not having the foresight to predict that a bunch of whatever-year old sentient ommnicidal spaceships would turn up.

Unless, of course, you're suggesting they get what they deserve for staying on the planet they call home, in which case- [CENSORED BY CERBERUS DECENCY PROTOCOLS]

Peaceful life and liking it that way.

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Nat
Redline wrote:
Nat wrote: Because the journalist is a biased hack. They charged us. Marines are the ones in hospital. A good officer and a good man is wearing this and he deserves better. My Marines do not deserve this bullshit.

It's nothing about 'Mother Earth'it's about the vast majority of the human population living on the worst hit planet. Eden Prime has nothing on Earth. Historically the colonies have profited from the Alliance in immense ways.

OK, for the record, your Marines are in the hospital? Boo-fucking-hoo. They're soldiers. They signed up for this shit. They officially lose the right to complain, and you lose the right to bitch whenever one of your Alliance goons falls and scrapes their fucking knee.

And really, if you went in there and DIDN'T expect them to charge you, you're fucking stupid. Think about it - you're Marines. On a colony. With a known colonial separatist element among the population, your guys are enforcing the Five Year Plan and performing police duties when you have no business actually doing so. And the jarheads went in without full gear. Are you seriously telling me that on some level, you thought this was a good idea? Really? If this is what your guys walk into, willingly, then they DO deserve this bullshit.

Now, onto the majority of the human population living on the worst-hit planet - Why didn't they leave beforehand? Seriously. I left Earth a long time ago, never looked back. They stuck around. No excuses. The Reapers hit, so sorry, I can sympathize, but really - they don't get to squander colonial resources with a vague and easily-redefined plan, to be backed up by military force, for the purposes of 'saving' the majority of the human population when they could have, at any point prior to the invasion, packed up and left.

I was going to reply to this bullshit, but considering most people reading this will understand what a complete and utter fuck you are I'm not going to bother.

A prime example of a colonist elitist who assumes everyone had the means to leave Earth and rejects 98 percent of the human population, folks!

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Mortak
Nat wrote: I was going to reply to this bullshit, but considering most people reading this will understand what a complete and utter fuck you are I'm not going to bother.

A prime example of a colonist elitist who assumes everyone had the means to leave Earth and rejects 98 percent of the human population, folks!

But, see, that's the thing, isn't it? They could've easily left Earth if they signed up with one of the colonist enrollment programs. It wasn't even a matter of 'having the means to leave Earth.' You just didn't get to be a lazy douchewaffle. And according to all of the Terminus colonies that seem to be functioning just fine without Alliance forces on-site, I'd say it was a good plan. There were a lot of them in operation back before the Reapers hit. Sign up for training, or bring existing job experience to the program, and you get to set up shop on the new colony. Simple, straightforward, it worked. You can't say it didn't.

Then the Alliance cocked it up with SATAE effectively knocking down any functioning colonial governments that existed at the end of the war.

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Nat
Redline wrote:
Nat wrote: I was going to reply to this bullshit, but considering most people reading this will understand what a complete and utter fuck you are I'm not going to bother.

A prime example of a colonist elitist who assumes everyone had the means to leave Earth and rejects 98 percent of the human population, folks!

But, see, that's the thing, isn't it? They could've easily left Earth if they signed up with one of the colonist enrollment programs. It wasn't even a matter of 'having the means to leave Earth.' You just didn't get to be a lazy douchewaffle. And according to all of the Terminus colonies that seem to be functioning just fine without Alliance forces on-site, I'd say it was a good plan. There were a lot of them in operation back before the Reapers hit. Sign up for training, or bring existing job experience to the program, and you get to set up shop on the new colony. Simple, straightforward, it worked. You can't say it didn't.

Then the Alliance cocked it up with SATAE effectively knocking down any functioning colonial governments that existed at the end of the war.

Everytime you open your mouth you get more dickish. Congrats.

It doesn't work that way. It worked for some people but if it had been that easy, our colonies wouldn't be so tiny. Hell, I joined the Corps because it was my only option to get off Earth/


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Redline wrote:And according to all of the Terminus colonies that seem to be functioning just fine without Alliance forces on-site, I'd say it was a good plan. There were a lot of them in operation back before the Reapers hit.

Man I fucking love those places. They're like, pay raises on a plate.

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Songbird
It's nothing about 'Mother Earth'it's about the vast majority of the human population living on the worst hit planet. Eden Prime has nothing on Earth. Historically the colonies have profited from the Alliance in immense ways.

You start off by going on about how Eden Prime has "nothing" on Earth - which is an absurd argument, by the way. It's like walking up to a guy with a broken spine and telling them they don't deserve help, because of the paraplegic (and also cancer-ridden, because this guy has TONS of problems) guy next door. It's marginalization at its' very finest. One bigger problem does not somehow cancel out another problem. This isn't tenth grade accounting, there's no such thing as net gains or net losses here. This is real life, and real life is more complex than a big scale with a ten kilogram Earth on one end and a five kilogram one called 'colonies' on the other. This is exactly what it sounds like. Two problems.

As an aside, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with that 'colonies have profited from the Alliance' remark'. There's literally no bridge of reason to relate it to your previous point unless you want to explain how that has anything to do with 'the vast majority of the human population is living on Earth'. That aside, I still struggle what point you're trying to make. Historically, the colonies have profited from the Alliance in immense ways. Okay, sure. That's true. I mean, that's history. But historically, the Alliance's influence could never extend to Earth itself. And I'm sure you don't have many objections to that departure from the status quo. History in a debate should be used to suggest a certain trend or 'we've tried this before'. You're not using it in any capacity here aside from an implication that the colonies owe the Alliance. And what people 'owe' other people is pretty irrelevant in the long run, because (in this instance), it's not as though the Alliance didn't benefit from the colonies, and two, people care less about the 'historic' end of the argument and more what's going on at the present. And at the present, the colonies are under martial law.

SATAE doesn't effect Eden Prime idiot.

Pretty sure 'SATAE affecting Eden Prime' is exactly what this article is about. It's exactly what Eden Prime is about, unless you need a refresher on the principles of cause and effect. SATAE (yes, the TRANSITIONAL AUTHORITY ON EARTH, please don't start screaming about it, I've realized) is affecting Eden Prime in policy and in priority. You've admitted it yourself under numerous instances. In the very post I'm responding to, even. I'll walk you through this, maybe you can't follow me. Eden Prime is dissatisfied because the Alliance replaced a fully functional civilian government and placed it under martial law. The Alliance has declared martial law in response to the situation on Earth. Under martial law, Eden Prime has been denied self-determination because Earth demands its' resources to rebuild. Going forward from that point, the Alliance is taking resources from the colonies without fair compensation in order to rebuild Earth. There's an implication here that their colonies would be seeing growth without a policy like this and without the Alliance exercising its' 'rights' to a garrison on the world.

To sum it up, it all goes back to Earth. That is what so many colonists, not just those from Eden Prime, but so many other colonies that the Alliance has fully exercised their 'rights' on. So yes, SATAE has affected Eden Prime.

Eden Prime has always been under the Systems Alliance's government and we are well within our rights to have a garrison here. If we didn't they'd be easy pickings.

From who? Pirates, or its' own colonists?

I honestly don't get how you're justifying this. Everyone has been entirely honest about the fact that Earth needs the colonies, and everyone recognizes that the colonies don't need Earth. With that in mind, is it so hard to comprehend people are so dissatisfied by an arrangement like this? Angry that their voices are being suppressed? Frustrated that they got the short straw in a one-sided deal?

Seriously, this is pretty baffling.

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