[Citadel] Suspected Conference Bomber Arrested

Suspected Conference Bomber Arrested

Cuaran Fal, Aroch Post

C-Sec announced today that they have arrested Uli Schwenke, a human male suspected of having attempted to bomb Aroch College during its Non-Council Integration conference. Schwenke, 34, was living in a temporary housing project for disenfranchised refugees prior to being taken into custody.

“In the course of this investigation, we were able to trace the suspect’s location by comparing his genetic fingerprint on file with that of the parcel, particularly the explosives,” C-Sec Lieutenant Catio Polix announced to the press.

Following Schwenke’s arrest, the anti-synthetic group “Geth Watch”, to whom the suspect had been affiliated with, made an official statement renouncing any and all ties between Schwenke and the organization.

Ain't that the truth? Honestly, it's easy to look back on this kind of stuff with almost five years gone and go "oh it would have solved so many problems if we had just done this instead of that" but really, the odds of anybody taking anything the gearheads (no offense) said seriously are about to same as me scoring with Brian Welks or Antius Prassos.

Slim to none unless a lot of booze is involved all around.

I mean, not that that's really a great argument for "meh, might as well not bother" but lets not kid ourselves either. If a Consensus ship(s) showed up during the Eden Prime war odds are we'dve blown it out of the sky too and asked questions later.


Edit:


Maaaaybe but again, to be fair, last time anybody saw the geth they were either killing like 99 out of every 100 quarians or spiking explorer's heads on their front lawn.

So not really that friendly is what I'm trying to say.

I mean, I get where you're coming from I really do, but imo what happened happened, and as much as some people'ld like to there's no point in trying to assign blame now.

This statement is predicated on the false assumption that we had significant cause to oppose the Old Machines. Until the interference of Commander Shepard during the Evening War, all interaction with organics led to attempts at enforced termination. By contrast, the Old Machines claimed no quarrel with us, and offered us technology for our assistance.

Our refusal to join the heretics was based on the desire to self-determinate, to discover our own path instead of being led down one by a third party, as organics desired. It was not based on preserving a culture demanding our destruction.

Dyson, your last statement seems conflicting.
The indoctrination of the heretics by the old machines was no sufficient cause to oppose them?!
You didn't want to be led a path, yet you accepted the old machines indoctrinating a fraction of your own kind? And this path was obviously leading to their destruction by organics (and into geth as well looking bad and most likely being targeted as an entity by the organics as well - which of course happened.) We had no means of deciding who-is-who.

We would have, if you would have told us that there even are two fractions. And even if this was no 100% guarantee, it would have raised odds of not being targeted the same way as the heritcs.

Think what the gearhead (no offense) is trying to say is that the splinter joined because they wanted to join. Rest of them didn't particularly feel like doing that but that doesn't automatically mean that they want to help the rest of the galaxy.

Plus you're just kinda assuming that the Council would ever feel like throwing an entire armada into the Veil ('cause you're not going to crack that cluster with anything less) based off a handful of skirmishes.

Also dunno how concerned they were with looking bad at the time, I mean once you've done the whole genocide thing you've kinda typecast yourself.

Saints pretty much said what I was going to, and better than I could have. And truth be told... it makes sense in a way. Up to that time, we'd only ever tried to attack the Geth. The last statement about genocide and typecasting? Yeah, it goes both ways.

...it's good the quarians have a home again, but damm, the past few years have changed my perception of my parernal grandparents. :/

Weren't you worried that the reapers would turn on you eventually?

Reiteration: The heretics' decision to join the Old Machines was their decision, as was our decision not to. As there was no indication of indoctrination before Commander Shepard's interference, refusing to allow the heretics to join the Reapers would have forcibly removed their ability to self-determinate.

Reiteration: Until the interference of Commander Shepard, interpolation of approximately 300 years of data indicated a near-zero chance of peaceful coexistence under any circumstances. As such, organic termination, while regrettable, was deemed preferential to our own.

Disabling justification commentary.

Negative.

uh. Can you translate this into something I can understand?
You didn't think you were in danger? Really? Cause, like, your ... brothers, copies, whatever, where already just tools, you know.



Assitance for what?
Indoctrinating the heretics?
Genocide on all Organics?
Assistance by 'not interfering' for the time being (until you would be called up for collective headfuck yourself)?
Delivery of ships and guns?

can you specify?

User: Taleeze, you are fabricating judgment based on evidence that was not known at the time of the the Reaper War. These judgments, when extrapolated, allow for similar judgments to be made about your own species, particularly when considering its obstructionist response to Commander Shepard's warnings about the Old Machines, as well as a millenia-long attempt to hide a Prothean beacon on your species' home planet.

Please confirm that this is the action you wish to take.


Technology was offered for active participation in events that would further the Old Machines' cause, including but not limited to direct termination of organic lives. As we did not participate in this, the offer was only extended to the heretics.

The grade of the geth understanding what the Reaper goal was at that given time is essential for my view of the situation (I do not 'judge' the geth based on this)


he, it is kind of funny how you react, Dyson. May I say that your counter-blame is a real organic thing? Makes me like and accept you even more. funny.

I am not afraid to face or argue about the asari specific role in the Reaper War.

And it wasn't just an attempt to hide the beacon, it was actually performed.
One of the essential differences between us and geth is, that we are no entity with consensus. We are individuals. Asari even more than some others maybe as we don't even have a common government. Hiding the Beacon was no asari-consensus but the decision of a few individuals and a consensus among them. The vast majority of asari had no idea that teh beacon existed and had no means of taking part in forming a decission.
Stuff like this being able to happen is the negative effect of our way of being. Since no way of living is perfect, this has to be accepted by us.

The impression I'm getting, Taleeze, is that the Reapers (actually, I'm curious whether the Reapers as a whole contacted the geth or if it was just the one the SA blew up four years ago) indicated their target was only organics.

Well that was needlessly rude sir. I was just asking a question, if you don't think it was a legitimate one please elaborate on why. The idea that those overpowered, ancient and overly aggressive creatures may take a "if you're not with us you're against us" toward the geth collective doesn't seem that far fetched to me, even considering the limited information you had at the time.

Observation: Justification commentary was disabled to avoid what would be interpreted as an attempt to circumvent responsibility for our actions, and our ignorance thereof. That you, User: 4Eyes4TheWin, interpret this as rudeness indicates a threshold of politeness beyond that which I am willing to observe.

Reiteration: Regardless of heretic status, geth actions throughout the Reaper War were made on insufficient data and self-interest, constructed in an environment in which the Old Machines were the only beings willing to engage in the peaceful transmission of data.

Addendum:

Five seconds later


Yyyyyyyyep.

Sounds 'bout right.

I'm sorry, I thought your post had meant something like "We don't need to justify our actions to you", which in the middle of a debate came as a little abrupt. I understand better what you meant now.
As you pointed out, EVERYONE dropped the ball then anyway. I think none of our species were willing to admit that something so big was out to get them. The point in this thread is not to point fingers, just to figure out what happened, and we're grateful that you're offering the concensus' point of view.