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Relief Volunteers Murdered
Crossposted from Citadel News Net Aver Safe Grounds, Maw’s Reach, TUCHANKA - Two relief workers were found murdered yesterday in an escalation of the attacks on volunteers on Tuchanka. Tuchanka Times has previously reported several attacks on alien volunteer organizations, but there were no deaths until now. The victims were largely unidentifiable due to the extent of damage to the bodies, but authorities can confirm that they were turians from a Hierarchy-sanctioned volunteer group. The bodies were found just outside the Aver Safe Grounds, a neutral zone established in Maw’s Reach. The region, despite its name, is reportedly safer than other provinces for aliens. Like other victims of the attacks, the corpses were found with a datapad on one of the victims. Authorities have chosen to withhold the information on the note, though previous attacks have included threats of further attacks and a demand for alien influences to leave Tuchanka. “I can understand the mindset of the attackers,” Urakk Aaera, Clan Mother of Aver said of the attacks. “Our people are a strong and proud species. We have survived the Rachni Wars, our rebellion, the Genophage. We have not needed alien assistance before to survive, why should we now with the Genophage cured? But the difference between these attackers and us is that we are strong enough to admit that we need help in these times.” Relief efforts have been firmly established in Tuchanka since the war, assisting in everything from large efforts such as agriculture, reconstruction, research and development, to day-to-day life, such as child care and medical assistance. Some sources in the Krogan Clan Leaders have admitted that volunteer groups are now vital to Tuchanka’s recovery. “We can’t lose these aliens or their help, not yet.” One anonymous source stated. “If we do, Tuchanka’s hope is lost. Or at the least, very distant from us. We’ve spent too long destroying that we forgot how to build.” Citadel News Net has contacted several governments that sanctioned the various efforts, but as of this posting, none have commented. [UPDATE] A comment from the Salarian Union from Dalatrass Alera: “These krogan have proven that they are no better than the Yahg. With any luck, the Salarian Union will pull all our efforts in the Krogan’s soon-to-be-again DMZ. I would advise all other committees to follow our example.” [UPDATE] A representative from the Systems Alliance, Cpt. James Marshall, has this to say of the article and of Dalatrass Alera’s comments: “We of the System’s Alliance have no interest in turning our backs on people who need our help just because of the actions of an extremist group, and we have no interest in following the Dalatrass’ example, which is clearly rooted from previous grudges against the Krogan people. The war has taught us that we all need to stand together, even in the face of adversity, and there is no species in the galaxy yet that is ready to stand on its own. We are all rebuilding still, and we all need to stick together and let the past go.” [UPDATE] A representative from the Turian Hierarchy sent a short message after our latest update. “What he said. Now let’s get back to work.” Presslink News Aggregator: Collecting headlines from across the galaxy. ((Official administration news feed. Please consult the Site Rules for submitting an article.)) |
The_Sarcastic_Salarian |
Which includes allowing them to reproduce at the downright monstrous rate that they were incapable of keeping in check prior to the Rebellions, is that correct?
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The_Sarcastic_Salarian |
Either throttling the birthrate by a marginally less drastic amount, or, you know, not having an asari-length lifespan. I'm fairly sure that the asari would have done the same thing to us if they were driven by the insane need to allocate resources for a little blue baby swarm.
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Savara |
The_Sarcastic_Salarian wrote:Either throttling the birthrate by a marginally less drastic amount, or, you know, not having an asari-length lifespan. I'm fairly sure that the asari would have done the same thing to us if they were driven by the insane need to allocate resources for a little blue baby swarm.
I'd appreciate if you'd use a word other than throttle in reference to the lives of children. Now, salarian, I'd like you consider the genophage as something other than a biological plug on our breeding rates. When a krogan female produces a clutch, we can lay up to a thousand eggs. Scary, right? Now, with the genophage, a single clutch could only produce one viable egg. One living child amongst 999 corpses. And that's on a good day. If your species had built something that would have reduced our clutches to a "manageable" size, instead of ensuring the still birth of generations of infants, I might be more sympathetic to your fears. Instead, you not only infected us with something commits a small genocide whenever we mate, and let us be traumatized by viewing it again and again for centuries, you never bothered to come up with an alternative that was remotely humane. Now we're regaining our lost numbers, and yes, we have people who are very angry, and that anger won't be going away within your lifetime. I just hope your species learned its lesson if you ever decide to repay our sacrifice by neutering us again. Or are you saying you could look at nearly a thousand dead eggs, your eggs, and think "this will ensure we don't fill up the colony too quickly" |
The_Sarcastic_Salarian |
Did you even read my last post, or were you blinded by sheer blithering stupidity?
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Lynn o Cymru At your service |
Ms. Savara, Mr. Spiza, before you two proceed to the bickering.
Do you two believe it is possible the krogan themselves can implement birth control measures at the very least? Sergeant Lynn Conway, C-Sec Special Response Unit Cymru am Byth |
The_Sarcastic_Salarian |
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Savara |
The_Sarcastic_Salarian wrote:Did you even read my last post, or were you blinded by sheer blithering stupidity?
I thought your previous post was rather idiotic, since a better comparison would have been the asari finding you, uplifting you for the purpose of using your race as a weapon of war, and then neutering you once you'd started troubling them for the same reasons you were uplifted in the first place. No, I commented the only noteworthy thing you said in your previous post, which was how reducing our birthrate was reasonable in light of our long lifespans. Savara wrote:
If your species had built something that would have reduced our clutches to a "manageable" size, instead of ensuring the still birth of generations of infants, I might be more sympathetic to your fears. In other words, I was agreeing with you that a reduction of our clutch sizes is not that unreasonable. But the genophage wasn't a population reducer, it was a weapon designed to demoralize with the sight of and removal of thousands, millions, of dead eggs for more than a thousand years. And presumably because we are so uncivilized, you never tried altering the way the damn thing worked so we wouldn't have to throw away so many stillborn eggs whenever we tried to produce children. Because you got what you wanted out of it, so why bother refining it for the sake of dignity and compassion? ...At some point, unless the krogan manage to find ourselves in another war, or access to a region of space all to ourselves (and considering we've only mapped 2% of this galaxy, I don't find this entirely unreasonable) our re-population is going to cause a problem, and we'll come to the realization that we'll need to alter ourselves if we care about coexisting with the galaxy. But we will never, ever use something that will affect us like the way the genophage did. In any hypothetical discussion about my race's future, it will never, ever be an option that we will choose for ourselves, and not one I would ever wish on others. |
The_Sarcastic_Salarian |
It's nice of you to automatically equate "reduce your clutch size" to "I want to render you all extinct." Kindly note that at no point in this conversation did I mention the genophage, merely looking for some means to limit your damn reproductive rate. That was you.
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Savara |
Where did I say I imply that I wanted to render you all extinct?
And what else could you have possibly implied? Have there been any population reducing agents used by the salarians that I'm not aware of? I'd sure hope not considering we clearly got the suckiest one possible. And what is a horse? |
Lynn o Cymru At your service |
I think Mr. Spiza was saying that you misinterpreted his comments regarding the krogan birth rate and the need to instill practical means of birth control.
Oh, and a horse is an animal native to Earth that we humans have bred and used for millenia. From warfare to labor to thoroughbred racing. The phrase "High horse" is usually a derogatory term for someone who is prone to moralize or preach regarding an issue, and comes off as very condescending. While I certainly don't believe that is your intention, I think from Spiza's perspective, you are coming off as such. Its rather ironic that you two actually bring up good points, but you keep hampering yourselves by misinterpreting the others comments as insults. Sergeant Lynn Conway, C-Sec Special Response Unit Cymru am Byth |
The_Sarcastic_Salarian |
Point One: That was you to me, assuming any method of population control so much as mentioned by salarians is an attempt to kill off the krogan.
Point Two: Just because I recognize that the situation is quite LITERALLY untenable does not mean that all salarians want to kill your species, and the genophage may yet be an ideal method of population control. Not at the strength it was maintained at for over a millennium, as it was a tool of war, but certainly if it could be reduced to a pregnancy per year, instead of a pregnancy per lifetime. Point Three: Upgrade your idiomatic translation software. Forgotten Daughters Foundation - [CLICK HERE to donate to the OTRAVO RELIEF FUND] Emon Spiza, owner of Aphin's Place - Level 31, Zakera Ward. Best Drinks on the Citadel. |
Savara |
The_Sarcastic_Salarian wrote:Point One: That was you to me, assuming any method of population control so much as mentioned by salarians is an attempt to kill off the krogan.
Point Two: Just because I recognize that the situation is quite LITERALLY untenable does not mean that all salarians want to kill your species, and the genophage may yet be an ideal method of population control. Not at the strength it was maintained at for over a millennium, as it was a tool of war, but certainly if it could be reduced to a pregnancy per year, instead of a pregnancy per lifetime. Point Three: Upgrade your idiomatic translation software. Point One: Not so much as killing off, but I did think you were implying that we should go back to the status quo, which, while not quite wiping us out, left us feeling like we had no future. I think a lot your species would prefer that, to be honest, but very few, if any, would really want to remove the krogan from existence. Point Two: Reasonable, if not something the krogan want to deal with right now. But not something we should put off, as much as we would like to. Point Three: Ah. Humans and their metaphors. You must like their quaint means of speech. Forgive if I came across as overly self righteous, but the truth is that no krogan wants to hear a salarian's opinion on what we should do about our breeding problem. Not without a long talk to illustrate whatever is in that syringe your holding is not in fact, some virulent toxin. There are a lot of trust issues that just aren't going to go away. |
Lynn o Cymru At your service |
Well, again, I believe the best method for the krogan to maintain a sustainable birth rate is for them to implement birth control measures, and not through an intervention by other species. Its not an unheard of proposal, several nations on Earth, including the CPF encouraged families to have a limited number of children with incentives and such. Certainly there are krogan clan chiefs willing to do the same.
Of course, other species methods may not entirely be applicable to the krogan. In that case Dr. Savara, if you were responsible for drafting a birth control policy, what would you try to endorse? Sergeant Lynn Conway, C-Sec Special Response Unit Cymru am Byth |
Epsilon |
As far as I can tell, most camps/safe grounds are trying to keep the birth rates low for now. Aside from the celebratory (and I don't know how else to type this but) orgies after the war, the camp I'm at went back to the old system. That is, breeding requests and the like.
They've increased as far as I can tell, but for now, I think the camp is advising against sending too many. With rebuilding efforts still going, the camp can't sustain a steadily growing population, and I'm pretty sure that most other grounds on Tuchanka are in the same situation. Of course, whether they'll keep the old system or change it completely is another story. |
Wrazer Extranet Tough Guy |
The_Sarcastic_Salarian wrote:Which includes allowing them to reproduce at the downright monstrous rate that they were incapable of keeping in check prior to the Rebellions, is that correct?
Yep. As creepy cat dude says: The choo choo train of irony rapidly doth approach, well to keep thine eyes and ears up, and mouth and fist down. That's about as close to the "voice" as I can get without coughing up blood. But yeah; clusterfuck incoming. *Bosstip: Never renege on a deal with a species that lives for thousands of years. They remember shit. Awkward inconvenient shit. We survived our rage. We survived uplifting. We survived the Rachni. We survived the Rebellions. We survived the Reapers. We will survive you. We are Krogan. |
The_Sarcastic_Salarian |
Always did imagine his true voice being a collective scream of billions of tortured souls, crushed under the wheel.
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Cheshire. |
With a hint of grandiose panache and effervescent charm.
There will always be those for whom history is a mild gravgate on the road to justified revenge; these just happen to carry weapons, egos, and grudges the size of large varren, or barring that, sin artificio ni mezcla o elaboración del varren. No thing exists that tide or time cannot erase. Such is the fragility of history. |
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Cheshire. wrote:With a hint of grandiose panache and effervescent charm.
There will always be those for whom history is a mild gravgate on the road to justified revenge; these just happen to carry weapons, egos, and grudges the size of large varren, or barring that, sin artificio ni mezcla o elaboración del varren. Pretencioso como siempre felina. Signed Albert Lowell Diplomatic Attaché to the Office of Rear Admiral O'Reilly, Ambassador at large for The Earth Systems Alliance. |
Cheshire. |
Some might call pretense backed with resolve inevitability.
Fear not dearest "Albert", the scrape of the scythe is not terribly as far behind you as you might like... we have found most amusing uses for your friend "Quicksilver". Not quite as mercurial as she had hoped it seems. Perhaps you might deign to join her. ![]() Pleasant dreams. No thing exists that tide or time cannot erase. Such is the fragility of history. |