[Alliance] Soldiers Brutalize Protesters

Nat wrote: SATAE doesn't effect Eden Prime idiot.

Redline Now, onto the majority of the human population living on the worst-hit planet - Why didn't they leave beforehand? Seriously. I left Earth a long time ago, never looked back. They stuck around. No excuses. The Reapers hit, so sorry, I can sympathize, but really - they don't get to squander colonial resources with a vague and easily-redefined plan, to be backed up by military force, for the purposes of 'saving' the majority of the human population when they could have, at any point prior to the invasion, packed up and left.

Gilgamesh wrote:

SATAE polices the relay, limiting it to one carrier and limiting trade.

Urdnot Gokanong wrote:
That's how it is for all relays, dumbass.

LookingForWork wrote: Is there not a way SATAE can amend its current policy, perhaps decreasing the quota of resources extracted from the colonies per chance?

Gilgamesh wrote:
Which is only true because the local government (In this case SATAE) is actively limiting it to one carrying organization. Dumbass.

Dumbass wrote:
Because they needed the Relays to prioritize reconstruction traffic and prevent the inevitable illegal salvaging and smuggling market. And this is galaxy wide, so you're pretty much arguing against every sane government's logical action. Bleeding Heart Retard.

Gilgamesh wrote:
This is a lie.

SATAE stripped their government and replaced it with a military junta.

SATAE steals their resources without compensation, forcing zero economic gain.

SATAE polices the relay, limiting it to one carrier and limiting trade.

SATAE has marines assist the police in 'keeping order', with violent results.

SATAE effects Eden Prime.

Nat wrote: Systems Alliance Trasitional Authority on Earth. SATAE is on Earth. the SA as a whole does not equal SATAE. The SA has a Marine garrison on Earth that co-operates with police is necessary, lends engineers to the reconstruction effort, hands out free shit like food and medical supplies.

Songbird wrote:
You start off by going on about how Eden Prime has "nothing" on Earth - which is an absurd argument, by the way. It's like walking up to a guy with a broken spine and telling them they don't deserve help, because of the paraplegic (and also cancer-ridden, because this guy has TONS of problems) guy next door. It's marginalization at its' very finest. One bigger problem does not somehow cancel out another problem. This isn't tenth grade accounting, there's no such thing as net gains or net losses here. This is real life, and real life is more complex than a big scale with a ten kilogram Earth on one end and a five kilogram one called 'colonies' on the other. This is exactly what it sounds like. Two problems.

As an aside, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with that 'colonies have profited from the Alliance' remark'. There's literally no bridge of reason to relate it to your previous point unless you want to explain how that has anything to do with 'the vast majority of the human population is living on Earth'. That aside, I still struggle what point you're trying to make. Historically, the colonies have profited from the Alliance in immense ways. Okay, sure. That's true. I mean, that's history. But historically, the Alliance's influence could never extend to Earth itself. And I'm sure you don't have many objections to that departure from the status quo. History in a debate should be used to suggest a certain trend or 'we've tried this before'. You're not using it in any capacity here aside from an implication that the colonies owe the Alliance. And what people 'owe' other people is pretty irrelevant in the long run, because (in this instance), it's not as though the Alliance didn't benefit from the colonies, and two, people care less about the 'historic' end of the argument and more what's going on at the present. And at the present, the colonies are under martial law.


Pretty sure 'SATAE affecting Eden Prime' is exactly what this article is about. It's exactly what Eden Prime is about, unless you need a refresher on the principles of cause and effect. SATAE (yes, the TRANSITIONAL AUTHORITY ON EARTH, please don't start screaming about it, I've realized) is affecting Eden Prime in policy and in priority. You've admitted it yourself under numerous instances. In the very post I'm responding to, even. I'll walk you through this, maybe you can't follow me. Eden Prime is dissatisfied because the Alliance replaced a fully functional civilian government and placed it under martial law. The Alliance has declared martial law in response to the situation on Earth. Under martial law, Eden Prime has been denied self-determination because Earth demands its' resources to rebuild. Going forward from that point, the Alliance is taking resources from the colonies without fair compensation in order to rebuild Earth. There's an implication here that their colonies would be seeing growth without a policy like this and without the Alliance exercising its' 'rights' to a garrison on the world.

To sum it up, it all goes back to Earth. That is what so many colonists, not just those from Eden Prime, but so many other colonies that the Alliance has fully exercised their 'rights' on. So yes, SATAE has affected Eden Prime.


From who? Pirates, or its' own colonists?

I honestly don't get how you're justifying this. Everyone has been entirely honest about the fact that Earth needs the colonies, and everyone recognizes that the colonies don't need Earth. With that in mind, is it so hard to comprehend people are so dissatisfied by an arrangement like this? Angry that their voices are being suppressed? Frustrated that they got the short straw in a one-sided deal?

Seriously, this is pretty baffling.

Red wrote:I am seeing a lot more animosity in the people who take issue with the SATAE Government than the people coming to the defence of it, which is telling.

Nat wrote:
what.

Red wrote:is that really necessary?

The_Sarcastic_Salarian wrote:
...Seriously? "The people claiming corruption are meaner than the guys on the defense, so they're wrong?"

The_Sarcastic_Salarian wrote:
...Seriously? "The people claiming corruption are meaner than the guys on the defense, so they're wrong?"

Red wrote:I'm saying that there is no moral victor in this situation but the separatists seem to have the desire of creating a self-fulfilling prophecy by conflating issues that are not as big as they are made out to be. I'm trying my hardest to remain neutral but it's hard when, speaking in a more cynical manner, the choice is to agree with separatists who seem to want to with-hold vital supplies until all their demands are met or a corrupt military government with its boot on your throat because they claim its necessary I'm more inclined to agree with the ones who are helping us rather than the ones who aren't.