Leaked Messages from Nimbus Hint at Piracy Epidemic

While I am not a big fan of further interweaving civilian and military industrial complexes, this may indeed be something that must be addressed, the capability to gear up everything faster. Armali and Serrice are the top line names to do just that, they have the capacity and the size to be effective with that.
The same goes for shipyards as well, while we are at it. But then, Kendra Council currently proves themselves with the reconstruction of the fleets. Upcoming civilian designs could be adaptable into support vessels with R&D already prepared and using the same facilities and jigs.

... You cannot be serious. Oh dear God you are aren't you.
You're serious. Hahahahahahahahahahaahahahahah.

This explains so much

Lady, first thing that happens in a large scale war (not talking about those little brushfire things where you send a division at most to crack some warlord's head) is that civilian factories start producing weapons. The industrial sector is always going to be interwoven with the military when push comes to shove.

just sayin'.

No one's saying you should become the hierarchy, only with mechs, but military reform is not the same as aggression.

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Geth I have paid my dues to this woman rhetorically and every point she has raised I have addressed either in this thread or others.

Now I plan to just gloat and enjoy the fact that apparently the asari diplomatic corps has literally no fucking idea what to do with a military.

I like what you're saying Daia, but what bugs me is that it would basically be a protocol for civilian factories to start pumping mechs when things look bad. As Nat pointed out said factories could very well get destroyed before enough forces are massed, but what I think is even more of a problem is that in that plan the asari military would be forced to integrate an asset entirely different of what they're used to, while in combat condition! This would require a level of adaptability that we're just not seeing right now.
Instead mechs should be integrated asap in regular asari military and defense force. Strategies should be invented, allowing commandos to use that blunt tool to maximize the effectiveness of their own precision tactics. And when things get heated, it'll just be the same at a larger scale.
@Arina : I noticed you didn't answer my last post either, I really hope it's not because you think I'm bashing you or something. I would just really like to know why you think adding mechs to the regular forces and have the asari be able to field a stand-alone army, as it were, would be such a bad thing.

Uh, yes? I said that. And why again is having this possibility already applied in current designs so that the process and eventual rampup is faster and more effective a bad idea?

No, and I never said that. Reforms are happening, contrary to popular belief here. For example by strengthening automated planetary defenses. This is absolutely transparent as non-aggressive but seems of no importance to any participants in the discussion.


In fact I just didn’t see it, sorry. Of course get more, bigger, and even more bigger guns permanently present is to be desired from a strictly military point of view but asked what I would like – none of it. I’d prefer more action towards preventing the constant need for bigger and more guns, for a constant race of arms.
I know this is a concept hard to grasp for some but it’s largely why I became a diplomat and not a mercenary or commando.

Should those that have to decide this go this way, for example to fill the gaps in our numbers fast, then so be it though. It still is nothing I have to like personally.

Because it's not fixing anything.

This is why I was laughing so hard I probably bruised a rib or two: you're trying to fix the proverbial evisceration with a bit of gauze and positive energy. You could institute wholly mecha divisions and detachments but you're not actually changing anything, not really. But you don't even understand why because you have no functional knowledge of how a competently organized military actually functions and all you see are the mean people saying mean things to you and hurting your precious little feelings.

To this I say: grow the fuck up.

The issue isn't not enough arms and armor; it isn't that there's not enough soldiers or even that your fleets are too damaged, not really. The problem is that you treat your armed forces as a method of showcasing asari superiority and projecting Republic's influence while everyone else treats theirs like

well

a military.

They're better organized than you. They have better internal discipline. They have a clearer chain of command. They have more streamlined logistics trains. They know what they are doing and know exactly why something like arming and armoring civilian ships for widespread use against raiders, pirates, and other aggressive entities is a remarkably dim idea.

(If you're curious it's because with unless they're specifically designed with modularity in mind that's a stopgap situation at best, horrendously cost inefficient on a large scale, and easily exploitable by anyone with a basic grounding in naval combat.)

But, of course, you can't even recognize that. The fact that you and the Republics as a whole might be wrong. It's remarkably childish really and forgive me if I have little faith in the promise of nebulous and largely ineffective "reforms" when your attitude and that of your fellows in the thread betrays the same fundamental misunderstanding.

As a result really the only time reforms are going to actually be put in place and be useful in the current system is when the Maidens and Matrons who fought in the Reaper War have a real voice in their own government since apparently they're more or less the only asari who have some comprehension of what is actually flawed in the Republics.

But that's centuries off and not particularly useful today now is it?

This pretty much describes my retirement plan.

So long as you recognise that it's not really want in war? Using civilian-designed ships is...yeeeah. That sort of thing is usually a last resort to throw against the enemy, not something you want to be your primary doctrine.


...fortifying your planets is not military reform.


The world is not a nice place. People like me are always going to be needed because there are always going to wars and not having a strong military isn't going to change that-it's just going to force your allies to take up the slack. What's happening right now is not an arms race, it's an attempt for governments to return to a military readiness level that they can protect their territory and their people. It's going to, with the Republics' current doctrine, take hundreds of years for the asari to reach the numbers they had before the war, while everyone has already reached that.

So yeah, you guys need to have sort of reform or something in order to protect yourselves. No one else is going to do it for you. Not anymore. We've got our own problems.

Say you fortify your planets. That's great. But what if pirates start raiding your shipping lanes? What if an enemy cuts off one of your colonies? Assaulting a planet is not the only way to wage war.

It is one idea to improve reaction times for something that will be done anyway. But if the time to adapt, say, a cargo vessel to an armed transport is cut to a fraction and a lot of standardized parts are used, this is only an advantage. It is not solving all problems but it will improve things so can we agree that this is better than not doing it?
I am not talking about converting passenger liners to cruisers. Our medium to heavy fleets are not the concern actually, they are coming along just nicely. It’s the mass rampup of woman and material that has been the focus here.

Actually, while looking stuff up I found a weird legal case of intellectual property rights. A human operated company has brought out a blowdryer that uses a casing identical to an Acolyte pistol and Armali sued them for compensation. Maybe we should also look into such dual use of parts? But then, we have little use for blowdryers.
;)

Call it what you want, it is a necessary lesson from the war that also fits our doctrine very well, maybe better than large mech armies.

You are funny:) Nobody came to save Thessia anyway, so where is your point? The Rachni and the Krogan were intergalactic problems, not directed at the asari specifically. We are not, as you make it sound, calling for help every now and then. We were always able to police our own space.

Again, that is what the combined fleet is for, which sees fast and prioritized rebuild. This asset is a strongpoint, we have to improve the planetary defenses, that was where the main problems surfaced.

I wish I could reach through the extranet and hit you.

The entire reason I'm alive right now is because coalition forces helped to evacuate Thessia even after the Reapers blockaded the planet.

Really the only race that didn't get assistance was the Batarians, and that was all over before we even knew the Reapers existed.

Sorry, maybe you misunderstood me. I meant before the Reapers landed and more in a political sense.

I rate the efforts of those that came to aid very high, no matter where and who.

No. It is not. In fact it is an enormous liability because any half decent warship or defensive grid will tear an upgunned freighter to shreds in anything remotely approaching a fair fight. No because the relative costs and time involved put you in a position where you now have fewer resources and an inexplicably high number of useless ships ie, worse than you started out.
Basically the equivalent of everyone else's "light" and "it's made entirely of corvettes" fleets. Color me not impressed.
And it's the wrong one. As everyone who knows anything about what they're talking about has said.

Multiple times.
It's not reform because you're not changing anything about your doctrine.

You know

the doctrine that is one very large and very ugly half of the problem.

That a. you share the galaxy with other people you dimwitted hag and it's rather the point of being a good ally that you don't completely foist the burden for your national defense on your colleagues and b. Thessia was rendered aid during the crisis and the reason no one was falling all over themselves to drop everything and massage your egos beforehand was because they were a bit busy fighting godsquid


You are completely wrong.

As in: "there is nothing that could charitably be called correct in that entire response" wrong.

I am, quite literally, stunned at how fundamentally wrong you are and how yet you manage to hold a diplomatic career, ie a position that requires you have at least a functional understanding of how the most basic components and threats to intergalactic relations work.

Which you, evidently, do not.

Because Jesus Christ.

It wasn't all that hard to get through even the best planetary defense networks before the war, and it'll be even easier now.

We knew how to do it, at least.

Good luck if you're basing your military on planetary fortification, given that there are thousands of hulks available at good prices since the war. You could probably make a pretty penny 'assisting with atmospheric cleanup' on some of the harder-hit worlds and then turn right around and use that debris to knock off a colony.

Nice to see some things never change.

I should probably add, there's no combat unit in the galaxy more overrated than asari huntresses. Yeah, biotics can be scary, but relying on them is lazy and any prepared squad is more than a match for them. Chains always carried polonium-laced flashbangs and rounds, since even low-level radiation was enough to disrupt the only thing making huntresses better than the rest. You don't even need to be accurate.

so, like

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aren't polo rounds, like, illeg--

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