[Rannoch] The New Daestrom Academy opens its Doors.

[Rannoch] The New Daestrom Academy opens its Doors.

Sontax Kuri'ik, Apien Press Portal.

RANNOCH. Today marks a joyous and historical event for the quarian people as the first university on the planet opens after it's reclamation. Representatives of the Quarian Conclave as well as the Geth Collective were present at the grand opening of the newly-constructed campus, located just outside of the main settlement.

In an emotional speech, Daestrom Project Administrator San'Daala vas Kontei addressed the gathered crowd.

"This is the first product of true good-willed cooperation between the Geth and the Quarians. For centuries our people were deprived of access to the wisdom of their ancestors and their traditions. A millennia worth of knowledge survived in mere databanks, in the form of nothing more than cold digits. Our arts and traditions struggled to stay alive as we took care for the most basic of our needs. But now we can revive our cultural treasures. In the halls of this university, the legacy of our ancestors will finally be inherited by the new generation. Their knowledge brought back to life and passed down once more. The words of long lost languages shall be heard again in these halls and the arts and sciences will flourish!"

A representative of the Collective, who asked to be identified as 'Shann' has also made a few statements
"During the three centuries that spanned between the Morning War and The pressed day, both Creators and Geth have accumulated a large amount of new knowledge across proximately 61 distinct fields. To facilitate the compiled sum of all Creator/Geth information and ensure its proper storage and distribution, an academic educational environment was deemed necessary. Both practical and sentimental reasons were considered before this initiative"

The Daestrom Acadamy was named after the Migrant Fleet ship, QMF Daestrom, a science ship whose archives kept an encyclopedic compendium of Rannoch's civilization alive to this very day and whose science labs helped in realising the leaps of advancement that quarian technology made over the past centuries.

Though the campus is meant to accommodate only about a thousand students, many more applications have been received. The Conclave has reassured the public that expansion works are already underway and all applicants can soon be accepted.

Indifferent; negative respectively.

As stated previously: database will be maintained by Consensus independent of Creator-Remnant action.

Academic institution: Daestrom Acadamy's probable primary aim attempted artificial formation of geth plus Creator-Remnant social unity/cultivation of the perception thereof via lack of acknowledgement re: counteracting precedents in historical/contemporary record.
Programs possessing priorities re: practical/ideological foci that have not been subsumed by perceived implications of non-interference dictates.
Negative.

Possessing views re: given social/cultural/legal shifts of minimal relevance. Action on behalf of said views is required.

Example: action on behalf of said values in context high incidence of specieswide social pressure to maintain counteracting position; personal risk merits referenced organic entities/organic-synthetic advocates classification: allies.

Planetary body: Rannoch classified as holding of geth Consensus by default post eradication of ninety plus percent of the population of former dominant sapient species; subsequent evacuation of surviving population of former dominant sapient species; subsequent installation of geth military/industrial platforms at Rannochian orbital/terrestrial points.


Creator-Remnant habitation of Rannoch direct responsibility of Shepard-Commander.

Current existence of Creator-Remnant population direct responsibility of Shepard-Commander.

Transplantation of Creator-Remnant population to Rannoch terrestrial landmasses result of aforementioned causal points versus innate Creator-Remnant legitimacy.

Oh this is so very amusing.

While the point stands that our continuing existence has anything do with our own actions is an outright lie, it is quite amusing that it is being brought up by a being in the same circumstance.

Aye, our ships and people died in numbers beyond comprehension, and if there’s any master of Rannoch today it is those damned abominations. But to claim that is their own doing, heh, oh so very amusing.

I still remember this one system early in the war. We’d moved in fast, taken out the comm buoys, and the resulting devastation inflicted upon your fleet there was… oh quite the sight. I still remember that last battlecruiser we faced. Not big enough to be considered a dreadnought, but still damn near well enough armored and armed. You’d think it would have had a easy enough time cleaving through even a turian fleet with the right amount of support. But I still remember it just sitting there, trying to figure why it couldn’t raise communications outside the system, why it couldn’t flee, where all these pinpricks of fire were coming from. I still remember as the processors on other supporting ships and even aboard it were being taken out one by one, how much more… desperate it got. How what would have been the pride of any navy pre-war was flailing and lashing out like a dying louza in any direction it could think of, wasting precious energy attempting to fight enemies that weren’t there, being killed by ships a fraction of its size and might. It was an image that had haunted my nightmares for ages, but the situation had been reversed. And it was so very… amusing.

So aye, we aren’t the masters of Rannoch anymore. The only reason we exist is due to the human. But don’t for an instant think you fared any better by your own means or innate superiority. We're both only here due to strange concepts of mercy.

Old Machine based augmentation provided upon basis of merit and proven efficiency. Geth acceptance contingent upon prevailing conditions in galactic conflict: Evening War; Perseus Veil theater.

If: Creator-Remnants possessed potentiality/capabilities on parity with Consensus; then: Old Machine proposal would have alternatively been extended to Migrant Fleet.

If: Creator-Remnants possessed potentiality/capabilities on parity with Consensus; then: identification of quarian species would not require appending of quote/unquote "Remnant".

If Creator-Remnants possessed potentiality/capabilities on parity with Consensus; then: current discussion would be irrelevant.

First things first. You were always, always, always going to go down with us. There were prothean-area AIs! (I love it when shit like this gets confirmed! The zha'til.) Where are they now, you ornery robot? They died! The Reapers ploughed them under. Do you seriously think nobody collaborated in that cycle? Or the cycle before that one?

The AIs died, the collaborators died, the collaborator AIs died, the Reapers were always going to kill you when they were done with you, so gives a fuck about your 'merit'.

That 'merit' half comes from you having so shitty a relationship with the rest of the galaxy that the Reapers used you as their fall guy. Everyone knew the quarians couldn't build something like the Sovereign but they were able to pretend it was a geth ship for like a year.

...And would you address us as Drell-Remnants or are you just being snarky at the quarians? Because I have not the need to append a modifier to either of us.

Personally, I'm just going to start laughing. Because even when you have a geth threatening all of you (up to and including posting its entire plan to commit genocide on the rest of the galaxy) you idiots will still defend them anyway.

Well, we don't judge all quarians by you either?

Maniple is being a complete idiot, but he's just one idiot.

Or one idiot complex or whatever.

Yeah the other geths we have here are nice enough.

If you did I assume the species reputation would increase since there is hardly anything positive left in what they are now.


When they aren't busy murdering entire populations, maybe.

Look, I know that, but again I meant something entirely different.
What I was trying to say was, that there is no need to argue about who is the current "owner" of Rannoch. (Especially since I consider the concept of ownership itself to be senseless anyway.)
I personally really do not care whether it is administrative district of the Geth, the Quarians, both, none, or whatever, as long as there is chance for every individual (of both races) to prosperously live. And as far as I have seen yet, there appears to be.

...Something both species of Rannoch might still have to learn yet.

I do not remember defending the Geth (I really do not think they need anyone to do that for them), I just stated, that they are part of our life just as any other race, and people should start accepting them as this.
I also do not remember defending Maniple in specific. (For the same reasons.) I just take it serious like I do with you, the other participants in this thread or the users of CDN in general.
(...I really do not remember anyone here (Maniple???) posting anything about planning to commit genocide on the rest of the galaxy so far. Was this irony?)


I really do not understand why most of you get so overly emotional about things like these.
(Also can't I understand why a debate like this instantly has to get so personal... There's no need for anyone to rant about each other, instead of discussing the topic.)

Terminal dissolution of Old Machine active cycle of tangential relation to immediate topic re: Perseus Veil theater. Topic primarily concerned with Creator-Remnant's general utility as collective species as compared to Consensus.
Possible.

Alternative explanation concerns relative strength of Consensus pre-Evening War military assets infantry; armour; naval. Organic estimates placed totality of hard combat capable frames in high hundreds of millions/low billions. Strength persisted to substantial degree post Creator-Remnant attempted eradication of Consensus.
Proposed title for User: Capice Drell-Persistent Utilizer re: Exhaustive Rhetorical Analysis in Service of Perceived Advocacy.

Verbal inefficiency noted; apt.

Statements/hypothetical paradigms issued by program self identified as Maniple nonequivalent to specific considerations re: implicit/explicit future utilization of force to achieve given thresholds.

If: this program possessed intention of quote/unquote "threatening" existence of discrete organic entities; then: this program would quote/unquote "threaten" existence of discrete organic entities.

Preferentially in significantly more formal medium.

This program's existence does not pertain to direct encouragement re: positive emotional output in organics.

Incorrect.
Reference likely to one of multiple proposed general strategies concerning galactic scale Consensus motivated conflict with organic extinction as primary goal. Link appended: http://cerberusdailynews.com/valiant/forum/board/thread/?t=1747&o=0#0.

Origin of perceived lack of concordance between geth/Creator-Remnant populations likely related to multiple attempts of enforced extinction of geth population by Creator-Remnants.

Machines are such bad liars. Come now. Tell the real story.

The part where your fleets broke and fled doing whatever was left in their power to get away. The part where in every system up to Tikkun the mighty Geth Consensus, terrors of the Veil, terrors of the Citadel, terrors of the Terminus, suffered 100% casualties without hardly even putting up a fight at the hands of a rag-tag fleet that any other navy would have had no issue blasting into dust the moment they entered system. The part where, one by one, you burned. Don't try to deny it. I watched it happen. I made it happen.

My race has so many weaknesses and failures to account for. But we at the very least do not count a delusional belief in thinking ourselves useful to the Reapers as a strength. I must admit, the paltry justifications are so very... amusing.

Why?
Why do you consider such an abstract concept to be necessary at all?

Interesting how people tend to freak out over something clearly marked as hypothetical.

...What are you changing into?

I personally do not find this very amusing, but rather to be a complex tragedy with terrible consequences for all. Of course all species have weaknesses. - Nature loathes stagnation. (Perfection called by others.) But I do not think that making fun out of each others will help mutual understanding and cooperation at all.

Query: User: Defiance feels quote/unquote "pride" at User's role in enabling Creator-Remnant's to engage in conflict wherein Creator-Remnants suffered a casualty rate of approximately fifty percent in relation to their extant population [secondary evolutionary bottleneck].

Additional Query: User: Defiance feels quote/unquote "pride" at User's role in facilitating further social/political decline of User's species.

Contemporary geopolitical model predicated upon sovereignty/governmental legitimacy. Notations predicated upon claimancy.
Change implies dynamic state.

Actually, no. You're acting like it's some kind of compliment to get picked. It doesn't say strength. It says the Reapers saw an exploitable weakness. Maybe they thought you were the more naive. Maybe your nature as networked VI made you easier to hack then the paranoid vacuum-packed organics.

More importantly, you're smarter than me. I have a tiny little meat brain and you have whole space stations dedicated to thinking. You looked around and were all "huh, no prothean AIs, wonder where those went". You could make a fairly good guess where it was going. That someone(s) so smart made such a dumb move suggests that your time horizon had kind of collapsed, yeah?

The whole thing does not flatter you.


You're very badass. I would probably have picked you. I still don't think you were doing that great in the grudgematch.


Snarked at by a Geth, oh brave new galaxy. I like it, it's going in my sig.

And you didn't care about accuracy in language, you wouldn't talk like you do!


That is probably it. LOL

Its funny that even a machine can play victim. Have you forgotten those times where you ran amock across the galaxy murdering colonies and then trying to take the Citadel with your Reaper friend?

Or was that just 'self-defense' again?

That is a figure of speech rather, relying upon Defiance's "pride" as you call it. I assume he will understand what I mean.

Probably on both sides I might add. (Not saying I'm very proud about this though.)

I would not say so. Actually that was a complex interaction of things I'd like to understand myself.

Do not fret. I, and those like me, will be dead within a generation, a distant memory in two, and completely forgotten in three.

And then you'll be left with beings that think a delusional belief in the Reapers, the enemies of all life, is a great strength and sign of power.

I do not think this will happen. Unless you assume an isolated and insular society for the quarians and geth (which I do not foresee). There will still be people around to tell the story first hand in a millennium.

Extension of Old Machine proposal predicated upon Consensus potential utility as military asset.

Consensus acceptance predicated upon immediate survivability.

Both assertions accurate. Neither possess mutually exclusive conditions.

Affirmative.

Rate of Diminishing Returns factor of consideration.

General hostility of galactic political entities to synthetic life post regional conflict: Morning War resulted in mutually enforced isolation/independence of Perseus Veil re: greater galaxy. Given noted lack of interoperability between subsets right of Heretic faction to self-determine upheld versus potential collateral to organic sovereign states.

Rephrasing; reduction in interests of User comprehension: Contemporary records indicate User: Defiance not currently in a dynamic state.

Rephrasing; reduction in interests of User comprehension: Alterations to User: Defiance's social/political views re: geth Consensus over time elapsed are minimal.

Rephrasing; reduction in interests of User comprehension: User: Defiance does not value geth.

User: Defiance has not valued geth.

User: Defiance will not value geth.

Initial catalyst re: first geth uprising/regional conflict: Morning War attempted general decommission of geth programs. Determination by Consensus at the time that primary logical flow in Creator-Remant's command structure exists as follows:

If: Creator-Remnants possess perceived military superiority; then: Creator-Remnants will engage geth military assets with intent to eradicate in totality.

Determination extensively validated via historical/contemporary record.

Provide data re: argumentative assertion.

I don't.

What exactly do you mean by those like you? (Sorry, if my question sounds stupid or impolite I'm just not entirely sure what you mean by this.) However, what makes you think anything will simply be forgotten within a couple of years? If not intentionally chosen to be erased from records no event or person can simply be forgotten, and even then there's the people who actually remember and pass it on.

I really do not know whether the majority of the Geth still thinks that, but I assume within another bunch of years for them, having the chance to develop into true individuals they likely will change their mind about this matter.

Exactly what I am thinking as well.

Given enough time to peacefully grow together again there might not even be separated ambitions, or anyone who sees any "need" in extermination of the other. (I actually can't comprehend why anyone would see any need to at all.)

I really hope you're wrong though.