Do you think synthethic life have "souls"?

it assumes this one will manage.

afterall, it has learned that controversy tends to breed interest

Yeah, I work in advocacy and my husband is a priest. I know a lot of drell leaders. They have been informed.

Just a note to everyone watching: We are never again going to debate if anti-drell racism is a thing. It is settled.

My name is Ariyah, Isadore is busy and I wanted to use his terminal. So I boot it up and what do I find first thing? Some mongrel Hanar preaching that he and his are the lords and masters of all my kind, and that if we and our children arent bound by compact o their every whim, then we are doomed and the walking damned! Its hanar like you that make me want to scream and go on a rampage! We would be extinct if you hadnt uplifted us, but that doesnt make you our gods!

The waves never settle.


[logged]
Its outrage has been written down and noted.

What the- hold on, let me go get Ariyah.
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Oh, its the mongrel hanar again. What outrage would that be? I am a remnant, mongrel, you have done nothing for me and your threats hold no weight, so hold your tongue, you overgrown jellyfish!






Damn. Well then, Im just gonna put a password on my terminal and skulk about elsewhere on the site, good day.

Right, bickering with the hanar aside, as has been pointed out, this question is one of the most loaded, divided, and complicated in the galaxy. You cannot put forward anyone idea and expect others to eventually reach the conclusion that it is correct, there is no consensus on this, and it is because of this that asking this question feels pointless. It is the actions of the geth and other AI that will inevitably lead to the rest of the galactic community either accepting or rejecting the notion that they're more than machines, I personally believe that, now especially, they are as much alive as I am, just born a different way, with a different culture, and obviously they are synthetic lifeforms instead of organic. I'd like to put forward that the geth have souls in the same way the rest of the galaxy does; the soul may not be a physical, knowable thing, but to me it is a metaphor for having self-awareness and some degree of morality. The geth are helping my people rebuild Rannoch, their art is apparent in the design of their platforms, their weapons, and their architecture, which I feel is modeled on our culture, or split off from it to become its own.

AI should have the same rights as organic beings; if killed without cause, it should be considered murder, if attacked by one, defend yourself as you would against any other assailant, treat them like you would any other person.

Thats fine and dandy, but a few millenia of treating them as no more than machines is a hard habit to break, thats just a fact.
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Can't we have one restaurant that is just, you know, a place to eat at? Is there going to be drama and politics behind all of them? Is CDN going to make all the eating places on the Citadel uncomfortable?

Okay, the Simmering Yuushor. Does anyone have anything on that place? Or can I still eat there and not feel like I'm taking sides in something?

Just divorce the political angle of the restaurant, or order, than leave immediately and eat somewhere more secluded, alternatively, you could try a disguise, if a reporter ambushes you trying to get your opinion on whatever crap is going on with the place, just fake your death, or start screaming gibberish, or run away and do both. The exercise helps build up one's appetite.

Snidely: I'm beginning to think the latter two are entirely possible where Mr. Phraag is concerned.

hahaha

and what culture do the geth have?

One very similar to our own; one that reflects upon the past, but not in reverence, of curiosity, of a desire to understand. Many of us look to our history only to bitterly use it as an excuse to justify our bigotry against the geth, but the geth do so to learn; they are a culture of knowledge, efficiency, and progress. Do the geth bicker over who is exile and who is true geth? No, the issues involving the splinter faction have been resolved, they are united. Do the geth shame others based upon genetics or how they were born? No, they treat each other as equals. Their technology is amazing, the unity and strength of their society commendable, and the absence of problems organics tend to cause - bigotry and slavery in particular - are non-existent.

I'd go so far as to say the geth culture is at a similar level of enlightenment as the asari, but I don't want to come off as treating them to be above everything else; this progressive nature also has its flaws, their culture is very alien to us, and difficult to understand.

EDIT: before anyone jumps down my throat for sounding like a machine cultist, allow me to clarify, I view cultures as having three defining traits; my people's culture, for instance, I saw as nomadic-democratic ancestralists, now I see them more as scientific-democratic ancestralists. Enlightened, to me, is just another word for progressive - the geth are philosophical-technocratic progressives, asari culture seems to be philosophical-progressive democratic, krogan militant-imperial tribalist, turian militant-imperial communal...yes, I believe I should stop pretending I know anything about cultures or politics, but the point is, the geth have as much culture as, say, any other civilization, in my honest opinion. I apologize for talking out of my ass.

I wasn't aware we quarians had a culture upon genocide and murder.


If they sought to 'understand' then they wouldn't have tried attacking the galaxy with Sovereign


And they use their own "misunderstandings" to justify their own actions against us.



If the 'splinter' faction even existed in the first place. Which it likely did not and was just more propaganda that the galaxy gulped down in favor of shaming my ancestors even more for the great and wonderful geth.



Your people are a slave to the geth and don't even know it.

Disregarding inconsistencies/idealizations on behalf of User: TerminusTech in favor of correction re: User: Pariah's argumentative points..

Contemporary Creator-Remnant general cultural/sociological/military long-term goals pre-Galactic conflict: Evening War overwhelmingly concerned with reacquisition of Rannoch. Eradication of Consensus perceived positive corollary.
Generalization applied with minimal argumentative foundation. Assertion nonequivalent to fact.
Negative. If: entirety of Consensus allied with Old Machines; then: a gross majority of total geth military assets [infantry; armored; naval] deployed in extra-Veil offensive operations against organic sovereign polities.

If: this conversation is occuring; then: stated scenario, by default, did not occur.

Notation: Response to program's assertions re: bad faith arguments as implemented by User: Pariah requested. Link appended; http://cerberusdailynews.com/valiant/forum/board/thread/?t=1854&o=20#6

As I said, I was talking out of my ass, thank the stars my occupation revolves around maintenance and security instead of cultural or political studies. That said, I have learned enough at this point to gather that Pariah doesn't seem very popular, and that she seems quite spiteful, yes? Regardless, on the topic this thread was started about; yes, I do feel that AI can have 'souls' as is generally understood by organics, no, I don't want to go into depth as to why I believe that because others have argued it better than me and I don't want to look like an idiot again.

You figured it out kid, no clue how it took so long to come to this conclusion tho. Im talking about Pariah, not synthetic souls