[Reapers XXII] Ghosts Of The Great War - REAPER VICTORY

Honestly?

Remove the vote from Triskele, people.

She finally showed up. If all you were aiming to do was get her to talk then congratulations. You have.

Kahje's scummy. He might not be scum, but his confusion (if real) caused some sidetracking that shouldn't have happened.

An addendum: Tied votes meaning a no-lynch is what caused Reapers XXI to allow the Reapers to win. We need to be decisive this game one way or the other.

What Ash said. I don't want to vote for Triskele because the no-show problem has been resolved but nobody else appears to be around and I'm worried about a no-lynch.

I am confused. As far as I can discern, the only reason there was a vote on me to begin with was my, once more, unavoidable silence. Now that I've broken that and returned, I see no reason to keep the vote on me. You contradict yourself, as well - move the majority vote to me, when you have literally no suspicion on me and voted purely on silence, rather than the person you not only favor a lynch upon for valid reasons?

However, you are correct in that a lynch would be better than none at all. I am actually quite torn on whom to vote for - you, milady, for your contradictions as stated above; Kajhe, for the absurd amount of deflection, poor backpeddling, and, as you say, derailing; ProgrammingWithFire for suspicious behaviour (jumping on bandwagons after being unwilling to make a vote); Ms. Proctor on gut feeling; and Jeral, for being far too persistent with his vote on me. Though, as a decision should be made as soon as possible, I would place my vote on KajheForEternity, as the latter two are superficial, the third is just barely excusable, and the chance that you, Ms. Sethtak, may very well have missed my earlier post.

Kay, yeah, seriously like the chick up there said, main reason Triskele was getting shit was 'cause she wasn't here. She's here now, she's talking, and she's not going on about shit like "well what's the right definition of 'good'" then throwing up weakass excuses when someone calls her on her bullshit.

So yeah.

Hey, glowie, sorry to leave you lonely but

UNVOTE LADYJO

VOTE KajheForEternity

Uh, well, not in danger of a no lynch either way now. And I think my vote is just fine where it is tbh.

My apologies let me clarify:

1) I don't want to vote for you. I never voted for you because I assumed the moderator would remove you for inactivity so voting based on silence would be a waste. Now that you're back I have no read on you at all yet but I have no reason to want you out either.

2) BUT you are currently tied with Kahje. I would much rather have him eliminated because I think he's acting scummy as hell.

3) BUT if nobody was online which is what I believed when I made that post based on the fact that hardly anyone has said a thing these past few days, then I would move my vote. Because the surest way to a scum victory is not to vote at all and have a no lynch. The lynch is the only weapon we have and we have to use it every day else hand the scum a victory on a platter.

Note if you were to vote for Kajhe the problem would make care of itself - he would then have 4 while you would have 3, majority reached.

An apology, Ms. Sethtak, I had forgotten that you had already voted for Kajhe, so forgive the points I made in my previous post.

Edit: Or there was a post while I posted. So much for worrying there would be no activity tonight. It seems we no longer have a tie.

...And allow me to clarify, as it seems the vote on Kajhe got lost in the wording.

Vote KajheForEternity

Wonderful, We are going to have a lynch after all.

Well, since you are, in fact, here, I'll be removing my vote from you, miss.

UNVOTE TRISKELE

And, well, since there's a decent space between Triskele and Kajhe now, and I highly doubt anyone new is going to vote for Triskele at this point, I'll leave it at that.

This one has no choice, it supposes.. It shall provide a roleclaim.

This one is a town, although it is not inherently good. It is a mercenary, more specifically a Blue Suns Commando. It does not sound like a Town role, but this one assures you that mercenaries do not want to see the galaxy destroyed either. This one believes it may be able to point to the real-life Reaper Wars as an example. It's abilities include either a Kill, or it can defend itself from a kill each Night.

Unvote Triskele

This one would like to extend its tentacle and offer any help it can provide.

First off, sorry for the silence.  Last two days got a lot busier than I expected, though that's not really a good excuse.  Anyways, here and focused now.  

I'm just going to dive right into some stuff that I noticed, but if you just want to get my general opinion, skip to the last paragraph.  I'll put it in there.

Asharia


Okay, I'm not sure why you decided to be rude about this.  Kahje asked a sincere question and you replied with sarcasm.  The truth is asking questions when you aren't sure about exactly what it is someone means is a good thing.  It's a behavior I would encourage.

(This section, for "brevity's" sake, is not required reading as it  has more to do with game theory than any issue specifically present here.  Seriously, though, give it a look if you have time, though be aware that the opinions expressed are just the way I look at things, and are therefore subjective.  Grain of salt, and all that. Otherwise, if you don't have time, feel free to skip down to the next set of parenthesis)

You know what, let's pause here for a second and discuss something.  EVERYONE should be asking questions.  If you look at my games, I almost always start by asking questions, mainly because it gets people talking.   If you say, "I have nothing to add" I would tell you to look back through the posts, find something that just seems "off" or gives you weird vibes, and then go ahead and ask the person about it.  It's a good way to turn "gut feeling" into something a bit more solid, you know?

 However, there is another important aspect to asking questions, and that is it gives you information while avoiding "self confirmation". If I go digging through posts, looking for suspicious behavior and then just post what I find suspicious, it's really really easy to then think:

"Self, you are pretty smart.  Look at all those fancy points you have found!  You know what, self, that guy DOES look scummy.  In fact, I'm now SURE they are scum!"

One lynch of an innocent later, I find out that I was an idiot.  

To be clear, I'm not saying don't go looking for scum tactics or tells, just temper that with the knowledge that you can psych yourself into believing someone is guilty.  Questions are a really good in between of those goals.  

(Aaaaaand were back to this game, specifically)

In regards to Kahje, was your intention obvious?  Yeah.  But that doesn't mean Kahje understood them.  I don't know, just seems like you could phrase that better, especially because animosity often turns into sincere belief that the other person is scum, whether or not that is true. 

All that being said, Kahje's remarks regarding info hunting has me... A bit confused. 


You might want to reevaluate if you are fulling your goal, as this is not your goal, or at least not demonstrably.  You have targeted one person for his odd speech, when three other players have made a single post in an entire week.

I don't know.  The bulldogging is par for the course and can be helpful, but the fact that you are ignoring other viable targets for information is a bit disconcerting.  Can you give me a summary of why exactly you're sold on Kahje being scum?

I'm going to suggest, we need a secondary target, or at the very least we should be discussing other people as well. 




That's... Not really a great reason at all. He asked for clarification, and you answered in a sarcastic manner.  Then EVERYONE jumped on that train (okay... Four or five people, but still).  One post is not a massive derail, and certainly not reason for lynching. 

At least, that is what I would say if this post hadn't happened...

KahjeForEternity


Kahje, can I ask for some clarification here?  What was the end goal of asking Ash what she meant about "good"?  You say you were looking to draw information but..l what information did you hope to get?  

Beyond that... Yeah, I have to admit that, while digging for information is a good goal, lying about your confusion and then back peddling later is... Well, it's troubling.  I'm not sold on it translating into you being scum, but it also makes trusting you in the context of this game a bit more difficult.  

All in all, we need a role-claim.  As it stands, you are going to be lynched anyways, so you might as well let us know what you are, because it can't hurt at this point. 

And now, for something completely different.

Triskele

 
I... mentioned you once, and hadn't changed my vote for you because I haven't been really around for the past few days...

I think the only reason this kind of upsets me is because the idea of you missing the majority of the session (even if it is unavoidable) and then interpreting my one post, an ask for a prod, and nothing else as being "far too persistent".  

You aren't the only one who gets caught up in real life stuff, you know? 

That being said, you are right about my reasoning.  You are a good player who was silent, it struck me as odd at the time, but has been corrected.  So, I have no problem doing the following:

Unvote Triskele

ArchMagus



These two things... Kind of bother me.   The first is just... Well, it's repeating what someone said with different words.  I'm not saying that marks you as scummy because... Well, you have a point.  People needed to get off the voting train for Triskele. 

However, the second one is one of my favorite things to do when playing scum, and was taught to me by none other than ESpiza (someone I think who can play scum particularly well).  

Basically, you are acknowledging Kahje's suspicions and then immediately dismissing them with humor or just a quick remark.   It's a brilliant scum move, because it ensures that people can't accuse you of ignoring the suspicions of a player while not appearing as defensive.  

At the moment, though, I don't really find you all that scummy.  It's just a point I wanted to bring up and log away in case someone else was getting weird vibes too.

And now for the general opinion of Jeral:

Honestly, I'm not sold on Kahje being scum.  It really just seems like he is trying something new and failed spectacularly at it.   I think it's a good idea to ask ourselves that if we have to lynch a sentient today (because odds are that is what will happen) is it worth losing Kahje over a moment of confusion.  I'm... not sure.  We need a role claim, at the very least. 

But I do think we should consider some other players here: mainly Icarus and Hybrid.  They both have a grand total of one post and that is within the first day.  Since then there has been nothing but silence.  By now, there is at least a little bit of stuff to go on, so their silence is not good. 

I don't know, I'm still not sold on Kahje or these two, but I think we do need to get them involved.  So, I'm going to

VOTE HYBRID

Icarus and Hyrbid, get in here and let us know... Something.  I'm not sure I would advocating anyone else piling on to my vote right now, however.   We are close to deadline and we DO NOT want a tie. 

Aaaaaand of course I was sniped.


I... Don't know that I buy this.

Blue Suns on the Citadel? You are a town role, but not "good"? You are a vigilante OR immune to kills?

That's... Hm. The flavor and powers are not in your favor for establishing a town role, thats for sure. (Though you have a point with the Reaper war involvement of the suns...) I kind of would expect this to be, at best, a third party alignment. In addition, Blue Suns sounds like it would be a mason role.

I need to hear other people's thoughts on this one.

This one would like to clarify that in this case it meant that we are not inherently good because in real life, Mercenaries are not always seen as the good guys. Metagame, it believes the word would be?

But it can tell the others that it's role name is infact green.

lol

Kay, uh, tbh I think it's a third party thing too. Probably not out 'n out scum like a Reaper or serial killer but they don't win when the town wins. Probably just have to be the last scum faction standing or some shit (maybe get rid of the other townie power rolls too dunno) but, main thing is, either way it's pretty fucking unlikely that their goals are the same as ours.

Apologies. Sarcasm is a wonderful thing, however, it falls short in text.


I would like to point out that this is not Kahje's first game. It is, according to memory, his fourth game. One should have at least picked up some wee tidbits, I would hope, by this point. He is not new at this, and I personally do not believe he should be given the leeway we would normally grant someone who is actually new to this.

Okay, so after getting some acquired reading done, I'd just like to say a couple of things:

1) At the beginning of the game, Ash and Jo made it painfully clear that they probably weren't working together. Call me paranoid if you'd like, but I find that hard to believe. It's highly possible they aren't working together, but there's also the same chance that they are, in fact, working together.

2) I don't trust that bubbly Asari. Her personality alone is enough to throw off my train of thought, and that can be used very well if she is indeed scum. However, so far that's it. I have no other reason to believe she's scum so far.

3) I was going to keep this short and vote for Kahje, but now I'm not too sure. His role is generally a scummy one related to a scummy faction, but this? If Kahje is being honest about his role, then all we're doing is lynching an innocent and helping the actual scum.

Opinion
Seeing how things are going, a lynch is probably going to happen regardless. Personally, I would say to simply wait until Day 2 to lynch, so we have more information to go off of, but that also gives the scum a chance to get some easy hits. However, if we lynch off a sentient, then we'll just be down an additional townie.

I'm not going to be able to make another post before deadline , but I just want to be clear.

Lack of talking is not inherently scum behavior, thus I don't push those votes. I prefer to deal with the active players first.

Also Hybrid, you never want a no-lynch Day 1. Of course you have a chance to lynch town, but that still gives you something you don't have. Information.