[FEATURE] Humanity in Hierarchy's service

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[FEATURE] Humanity in Hierarchy's service

by Xalota Arterius via The Galaxy Weekly

The species known as humanity joined the galactic community some 31 years ago with a blast through the Relay 314 incident, or First Contact War as they've taken to calling the conflict that followed from the Systems Alliance expedition attempting to open an inactive relay.

The short war left many wounds that have yet to close on both sides, but more prominently on the humanity's who had their first interaction with sentient life outside Earth through the crosshairs of the Hierarchy Navy. Still, the Hierarchy keeps seeing a small but steady trickle of humans coming and joining them as client citizens annually.

First human to officially put the tier lapels on their service uniform was Tong Mei-Chu who signed up in 2172, some 13 years after first contact. The highest tier to be possessed by a human client has been 11, by Saul Lizarraga who served as deputy administrator on a Hierarchy deep-space station. The most popular year to sign up as a client prior to the war was 2180 when up to 164 humans chose to don the dark blue.

These were just few milestones for humanity in Hierarchy's service, but what really motivates people to submit willingly to a fate that waited humanity at large if a peace hadn't been brokered in 2157? A survey conducted five years ago came up with the following results:


67% of inquired answered
Question: Why did you choose client citizenship with the Hierarchy?
21% | Family (turian mate/member of family/other)
37% | Stable source of employment
16% | Second chance
11% | Political reasons
15% | Other/Multiple reasons

A well known adage across species and time has been that government job is the most secure job, and the 15-year long service in various governmental roles certainly can keep the food on the table and roof over one's head even in most trying times. These days though, they're the only things guaranteed when working with Hierarchy as billions of service personnel and government workers can attest to.

Having a significant turian in one's life was second popular reason to join up, followed by second lease at life. However, one might be tempted to ask just what kind of deeds the potential citizens have done in their past to turn to the Hierarchy for their crimes forgiven? We can only hope the immigration officials have done their background checks well.

Humans in the Hierarchy right now are but a drop in the ocean of billions citizens, clients and turians, but their numbers are expected to rise with war orphans in the nurturing centers being offered citizenship at coming of age and uncertain post-war atmosphere encouraging more adults to sign up. Chances of accepting struggling human colonies into the Hierarchy is also a likely possibility today.

In the present, entertaining thoughts of humans widely accepting the Cause into their lives is wishful at best and imperialistc at worst, but in the long picture humans working shoulder to shoulder with turians and their other clients could be reality. That however, remains to be seen by the long-lived asari and krogan.


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hierarchy_​dad
Before any one of you jesters ask, I wasn't in the survey. Dunno about you but I get the feeling the writer was sore about not having humans inducted as clients wholesale.

"Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past." - George Orwell
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Pariah
Humans in the Hierarchy right now are but a drop in the ocean of billions citizens, clients and turians, but their numbers are expected to rise with war orphans in the nurturing centers being offered citizenship at coming of age and uncertain post-war atmosphere encouraging more adults to sign up. Chances of accepting struggling human colonies into the Hierarchy is also a likely possibility today.

My favorite is that the turians are the only species that actually gets namedropped. Makes you think doesn't it
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White Sword One Being a mercenary doesn't mean that you're without honor
They don't even need citizens in there, or clients considering the volus are the only ones.

White Sword One, Sword Base, Advent, Terminus Systems
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SteelUnifier Die for the Cause
Pariah wrote:My favorite is that the turians are the only species that actually gets namedropped. Makes you think doesn't it
Who knew the turian Hierarchy would mention the turians!?!

White Sword One wrote:They don't even need citizens in there, or clients considering the volus are the only ones.
...uh, no. There's far more clients than just the volus.
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Lt Commander Laelius You must be fluid, like water, one moment, a gentle burbling stream, the next, an unstoppable torrent
Not sure how I feel about this, I mean, yes, we made peace, but Is it really such a good idea to have humans in positions of power? Look at what happened with their councelor.

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Torn
Lt Commander Laelius wrote:Not sure how I feel about this, I mean, yes, we made peace, but Is it really such a good idea to have humans in positions of power? Look at what happened with their councelor.

Don't be ridiculous. That's like saying turians should never be granted Spectre rights, because the example of Saren Arterius clearly proves that they would all abuse their power, become traitors, and attack the Citadel.

Every race has their bad apples, and Indoctrination rots everyone to their core.

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Lt Commander Laelius You must be fluid, like water, one moment, a gentle burbling stream, the next, an unstoppable torrent
Il give you that Udina was indoctrinated, but lookng at human history, there were alot of bad apples before him too. Saren was.... not a good exemplar of a Turian power holder, he became misguided and indoctrinated, same as Udina. What Im saying is that we turians are, from birth, instilled with the beliefe of service ti your brother and to your people above all else, to die for the cause. Is it such a good idea to put a human in control of sonething like that when he or she wasnt raised in that same mindset?

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Pariah
Lt Commander Laelius wrote:Not sure how I feel about this, I mean, yes, we made peace, but Is it really such a good idea to have humans in positions of power? Look at what happened with their councelor.

Saren.

SteelUnifier wrote:[quote=Pariah wrote:]My favorite is that the turians are the only species that actually gets namedropped. Makes you think doesn't it
Who knew the turian Hierarchy would mention the turians!?!


Indeed, who would have thought it. Really.
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Lt Commander Laelius You must be fluid, like water, one moment, a gentle burbling stream, the next, an unstoppable torrent
Pariah... stop, dont site that kinslayer

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hierarchy_​dad
Lt Commander Laelius wrote:Il give you that Udina was indoctrinated, but lookng at human history, there were alot of bad apples before him too. Saren was.... not a good exemplar of a Turian power holder, he became misguided and indoctrinated, same as Udina. What Im saying is that we turians are, from birth, instilled with the beliefe of service ti your brother and to your people above all else, to die for the cause. Is it such a good idea to put a human in control of sonething like that when he or she wasnt raised in that same mindset?

There aren't any humans going to be in positions of power any time soon, and anyone who gets high enough has to go through the same as you, LT. Hierarchy's system filters out the chaff before it goes anywhere important.

"Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past." - George Orwell
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Torn
Lt Commander Laelius wrote:Il give you that Udina was indoctrinated, but lookng at human history, there were alot of bad apples before him too. Saren was.... not a good exemplar of a Turian power holder, he became misguided and indoctrinated, same as Udina. What Im saying is that we turians are, from birth, instilled with the beliefe of service ti your brother and to your people above all else, to die for the cause. Is it such a good idea to put a human in control of sonething like that when he or she wasnt raised in that same mindset?
Oh yes, because all humans are raised to be abusive with their power, and turians, so tightly bound by their meritocracy, are far less likely to abuse their kindred.

Let me point out several flaws in your logic, my dear. For one, you're forgetting that any human who managed to get to sufficiently high tier had to go through the same challenges and instruction to achieve that rank as any turian would in their place. More so, I wager, for his or her advancement would no doubt be hindered by peers with your flawed mindset. If they abused their power in the fashion that you expect them too, then it is the fault of whomever promoted them to that particular tier, for erroneously deciding that person was ready for that responsibility.

Secondly, I defy your ill conceived notion that humans are more likely to sully themselves than turians based on our history. Are their not turian slavers as well humans, turian serial killers, such as the Tayseri Strangler, turian officials who embezzle the funds meant to better the Hierarchy?

Take a moment to think before you type, Commander. Clearly, whomever granted you your rank didn't take into account your inability to think outside your comfort zone.


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Lt Commander Laelius You must be fluid, like water, one moment, a gentle burbling stream, the next, an unstoppable torrent
I never said that humans were raised to be anything, what I said is that they werent raised as ee are and therefore shouldnt. Be put in charge of a turian entity.

You have valid points, Torn. I just- hold on, I have to take a call
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Im back, look torn, your right about most if what you said, turians are no less susceptable to correuption than humans, but I distrust humans with power. Also, insulting my superiors gets you nowhere.

Hierarchy dad: I- your right.

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VigilantVanguard
I distrust humans with power.

Distrustful of humans in power is only natural, given the current state of the galaxy and the fact that the Citadel is in high Earth orbit. You should understand, however, that humans have come a long way in just a short number of years. Many humans have died fighting to defend Turian interests in the Reaper invasion and like-wise, a great many Turians have died heroes on Earth. While I can understand your mistrust I have to say that you should try to put it behind you. Racial differences are a foolish and vapid thing.

Humans in the Hierarchy is an interesting concept; a human that willingly works for an alien government or foreign power is still human, isn't he? No amount of surgery, no amount of genetic modification or paint on his face will transform Juhani into one of your people. I think that's where your mistrust is; that someone born on Earth can't - or dareisay shouldn't be involved in Turian affairs?

If Juhani were to die tomorrow saving your life, would you feel the same way? If he bled and suffered at the hand of the enemy so that a Turian man, woman or child wouldn't suffer the same fate? He is a member of your military, soldier, and you should treat him with the appropriate level of respect, as you should with all of your comrades. If a human outranks you, don't treat him any differently than you would if he were one of your own people.


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Seeking_​Rakhana Drell
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An additional point Lt Commander Laelius, perhaps the rise of humans or other nonturian volunteers and clients to a position of power could prove a boon. Abusive of power would be weeded out (one hopes) before anyone rises high enough, and the differing mindsets that you mentioned could allow for new ideas in regards to warfare. The Hierarchy is a formidable force, but constant and strict regimentation can lead to stagnation. Just look at the Protheans. So why worry about it, if the system works abuse will be cut short and military doctrine will evolve.
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Lt Commander Laelius You must be fluid, like water, one moment, a gentle burbling stream, the next, an unstoppable torrent
Your points are all good, I just... its hard to let go, but i see the reason it what you say.

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hierarchy_​dad
^^^^^^^^^^

And that's why I look forward to meeting new superiors in my service

"Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past." - George Orwell
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REDACTED [REDACTED]
hierarchy_dad wrote:Before any one of you jesters ask, I wasn't in the survey. Dunno about you but I get the feeling the writer was sore about not having humans inducted as clients wholesale.

So do you have commitment issues? Or are you merely chronically traitorous?

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BOSS who cares
REDACTED wrote: So do you have commitment issues? Or are you merely chronically traitorous?

Maybe he's still pissed because his girlfriend left him for an actual spikebutt
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Vohkaidin
....I actually serious considered joining the Hierarchy a few years ago. Before I first started posting on CDN, anyway. See, the first friend I ever had was my liberator, Sorik Vohkaidin. He was part of the turian frigate who liberated the ship I was being transported on from Logasiri. He was a good man, and he kept an eye on me for the first year as they started teaching me how to introduce me into society.

He died during Saren's attack on the Citadel. I took it pretty badly, and it set me back a few months. I ended up getting my name legally changed to his surname to honor him. I still visit the crematorium he's held at every year.

....Anyway, I'm getting off topic. I was initially thinking applying for citizenship, but I wanted to get a better feel for the free world first. Then I got a job as a janitor, met my would be wife, and the rest is history.

Still, I wonder if things might have been different. I don't think I'd be happy with the decision then, but I'm more mature than I used to be. Who knows?

Juhani, what are the initial stages of joining like as a non turian client?

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Mr_​Sandman
Personally?

It is a dumb decision. Particularly if made for reasons such as "Stable source of employment" which, you know, institutions like the SAMC and SA as a whole do without the particular bits and pieces that grate against the human psyche.

And there are things like that, and yes they do. As Ms. Caran stated before I believe humans are more along the line of "herd" animals (I know any anthropologist or sociologist in this thread is breaking out the knives already but, bear with me, it's an illustrative point not a dissertation) while turians are, functionally, a pack society.

If it's for deeply held philosophical or political beliefs or individual relationships then fine. Not the choice I would make but it's better than throwing yourself at a different culture in an attempt to show how "different" or "understanding" you are. That kind of thing does a disservice to all involved.

Being raised into it is a different animal entirely and mitigates the bulk of the issues I've touched upon and I take no particular issue with it.

VigilantVanguard wrote:If Juhani were to die tomorrow saving your life, would you feel the same way? If he bled and suffered at the hand of the enemy so that a Turian man, woman or child wouldn't suffer the same fate?
Well he's a perennial traitor who regularly grows tired with whatever government he's signed on with when the honeymoon's over so...would anyone really care all that much?

Vohkaidin Juhani, what are the initial stages of joining like as a non turian client?
Serviceman Knox perhaps taking advice on how to ditch your government, military, and everyone who knows and holds affection for you in order to ride the blue pain train from our resident turncoat extraordinaire is not the best decision you've ever made.

One must therefore be a fox to recognize traps, and a lion to frighten wolves.
-Niccolo Machiavelli

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