Question of Quarian Colonization

I have a question for the quarians. I know, during your exile, your people were unable to settle on another world due to your immune system's inability to properly adapt to the environment. But how come the flotilla didn't terraform a lifeless planets, build habitats on some asteroids or on the orbit of some gas giant? Did you not come across a system you can claim for yourselves, or do you not have the resources necessary to pull it off?

And now you got your homeworld back, does your people have a colonization strategy in mind?

Actually, they did try to colonize a planet. One at least. Ekuna.

The Council said they were settling illegally, and gave it to the elcor instead. To be fair, the planet has something like four standard gravity, so why anyone who wasn't the elcor would want it, I don't know.

Still, I think the quarians got the message. The Council didn't want them to colonize. That said, it didn't want them roaming around draining random systems of mineral reserves and employment, either, so I, er, don't quite know what the long term plan was.

They all die off?

I think you overestimate the flotilla. Even at it's peak, it had less than 20 million people and a very small economic base. It needed to maintain mobility as a survival strategy-had we anchored ourselves to a planet, we likely would have starved and bankrupted ourselves before the project could be completed.

As for right now? We're already in a colonization effort, and we're in the heart of "Geth Space". They don't have a whole lot of interest in planets, but they generally control systems.

In addition to Ekuna, which was emblematic of the Flotilla's dispute with the Citadel governments, colonizing the Terminus would have also proved difficult considering all the territorial disputes between the various governments and corporate bodies situated there.

And as Hansa said, we're already in the process of recolonizing the Homeworld. Helps that the geth maintained a great deal of Rannoch's infrastructure in the years since the Exodus.

I'd like to point out that bankruptcy wasn't a problem since that does require a financial base to actually exist, and we didn't have that. And starvation would've required us to completely abandon the liveships which wouldn't have been likely.

Asshattery that dictated Rannoch or Bust.

The fleet always needed currency to purchase goods from the outside, and we were always short on it. Anything that requires a large space to manufacture. This is how we got our reputation as scabs.

Quarians have never been big on colonization. I mean, we did it, sure, but even before the Morning War we were basically just sending out a few hundred thousand people and a ton of geth to set up our colonies. Now we can't really spare those few hundred thousand, and if the geth started colonizing there'd be an outcry.

Deliberate minimization of alternative options with intention of validating suboptimal executive selection. This program has made extensive arguments re: clarification/extrapolation.

Awareness/material evidence of condemnable actions requisite for issuance of censure by Multi-governmental organization: Citadel Council. Tangential datum: Consensus not contained by organic thresholds of habitation. Geth Consensus sovereign polity exterior to authority of Citadel Council; until such a time as formally recognized plus incorporated Consensus is not bound by legislative decisions made by said body.

Notation: non-hostile expansion [ie. mass foundation of satellite settlements] inherent right of sovereign/legitimate polity.

Still, we could not go bankrupt, and with the ability to actually build a manufacturing facility, the impact of being unable to import from a lack of funds would mitigated to a degree. Even if we did run out of money, that wouldn't be considered bankruptcy by most standards either.

If we'd found a suitable garden world that the Citadel didn't know about, I would have supported colonizing it. In fact, I did support that. That doesn't mean we had the industrial base to terraform a rock we would have lost to the Citadel. At least not by the time I was an adult.

I get why the Geth want to portray themselves as the reasonable party, but If you want to validate suboptimal executive selection, maybe you should open another thread and dedicate few cycles to 1. 300 years of radio silence 2. shooting anyone who came too close to your border, regardless of actual threat posed 3. allowing the Heretics to leave and quite possibly hasten a Reaper apocalypse that would have brought on your destruction.

I wouldn't normally be so blunt, but you seem to come into every quarian-related thread.

Planetary bodies with dextro based biomes that meet given parameters present in significant numbers within Greater Terminus region [subregions: Attican Traverse; Nemean Abyss; Lesser Terminus]. Region designated: Greater Terminus by definition exterior to Citadel-Council mandate. Significant body of evidence supports high potentiality of positive results resulting from mutually implemented diplomatic protocols versus: pre-emptive unilateral military action. Given hypothetical scenario: exchange of technology/engineering expertise [mechanical; agricultural; industrial; electrical] for sovereign territory plus military protection.

Extant precedent for formal relationship present via Citadel polity: turian Hierarchy.
Escalating cycles of martial reprisal between synthetic plus organic polities rendered significant non-hostile political reaction improbable. Consensus reached to maintain self imposed quarantine as mechanism of general preservation given: establishment re: hostility of sovereignties exterior to geographic region: Perseus Veil re: existence of Consensus as discrete entity; establishment re: general disinterest of sovereignties exterior to geographic region: Perseus Veil re: Consensus non-martial aims; high projected probability re: secondary attempted enforced extinction event if: clear deliniation not present; secured geographic region coupled with adequate time allotment re: military-industrial consolidation.

Additional primary consideration added after elapsed time: reciprocated disinterest in actions undertaken by organic polities; exception: as pertaining to Consensus interests.

High incidence of Creator-Remnants in said discussions prompts alternative/associated argumentative perspective.

That was not going to happen. The council would have let us die, especially after what your heretics did.


Really. Did you ever have a plan to de-escalate things? Because I think you're minimizing your options in order to validate your poor decisions.

You can be so harsh on quarians who followed Han'Garrel-you act like we shouldn't mourn because it's all our fault-but for three hundred years-You were the ones in the position of strength. You were the ones who never spoke. You were the ones that let your error-ridden glitches attack the Citadel.

You had no idea how to get what you really wanted and you made terrible mistakes.

Authority of organic polities collated under superior organization: Citadel Council relegated to region of space designated: Citadel Space.

Greater than fifty percent of known galaxy [encompassing de jure and de facto unadministerated regions] encompasses majority of known galaxy.
Deescalation as immediate priority implies argumentative apparatus/sufficient rationale exists for implementation of deescalation as practical concept. No significant motive factors extant within stated time period; tangible benefits re: isolationist policies coupled with effective self sufficiency of geth Consensus valued as net positive compared to potential benefits re: cosmopolitan policies plus high probability of net-negative outcome.
Relative quote/unquote "strength" maintained independently of interaction with greater galaxy. Mutually recognized consensus of geth subset designated: Heretic acceptable to prevailing paradigms of greater collective. Right to self determinate plus all associated decision processes including but not limited ability to voluntarily forfeit said right holds primacy.

Events result of calculated series of higher order processes which are unanalogous to mechanical errors within software code.

Query: User: Broken Ground Botanical's qualifications that empower User to generate assertions regarding unrealized/unconscious motive aims of geth Consensus.

And significant portions of that space are so dangerous and slaver-ridden that we were better off sticking with the fleet.


You were wrong. It was disastrous for you. The Citadel falling into Reaper hands would have been worse for you. You made a huge mistake. Just own it. Admit to contributing to the conflict, just once.


Because I'm being generous!

A fair number of Geth drive me crazy, but I see them playing with the kid or building things and...

If I thought that you really wanted perpetual war, that you wanted to be silent and outcast forever, that you wanted us to die slowly and never come home, then there wouldn't be any hope. And it wouldn't really fit with how I've seen Geth act. So if for 300 years nothing changed it's not because you wanted it that way.

Obfuscatory bias does not constitute adequate counterargument; by User's asserted definition not-insignificant areas of Greater Terminus space stable/secure.

Significant [contestable] portions do not constitute majority; entirety.

Incidence of slavery does not constitute uninhabitability see: appended link for exemplary.
http://cdn.wikia.com/wiki/The_High_Republic_of_Orozvhad

Potentiality re: danger does not constitute uninhabitability; gross plurality of Creator-Remnant military naval assets reaffirms.
Multiple mutually recognized agreements between Creator-Remnant executive/legislative bodies: Conclave of Captains plus Admiralty Board and multinational organization: Citadel Council explicitly prohibited Creator-Remnant incursion into geographic region: Perseus Veil. Extant logic chain as follows:

If: Creator-Remnants adherence to own own binding compacts maintained; then: magnitude of damage sustained by Consensus in conflict significantly lowered.

Factors nonconjoined in contrast to User's assertion.

Additional note: historical record indicates substantial emphasis placed upon reclamation of sovereign Consensus territory: Rannoch by Creator-Remnant polity: Migrant Fleet. Extrapolated probability re: Migrant Fleet declining military action against Council aligned Consensus given: high perceived potentiality of success:

Low. Duration of galactic scale conflict: Evening War encompassed seizure of civilian/military naval asset: Citadel by Old Machine joint infantry/armor/naval offensive. Said seizure did not result in significant/notable damage to Consensus infrastructure [industrial; military]; Consensus population; Consensus military assets [infantry; armored; naval]. Affirmative. Quote/unquote contributions self demonstrating; clarification made to expedite exchange of dialogue.

Geth primary inputs into Creator-Remnant attempts at enforced extinction of geth existence: weaponry discharges.

Primary output: Creator-Remnant casualties.

Initial paired sequence of proposed outcomes exist independently of third.

You would have loved that. You personally, not you-the-Geth.


Alternate logic chain: If a party does nothing to end a war, it is partially responsible for it continuing and for any damage it incurs in the process.


That's not the same thing and you know it. By the time the Citadel fell, everyone was mobilized, everyone understood the threat, and the leadership had already formalized agreements with the non-Citadel states, including you.

If Saren and the heretics had taken out the Citadel (and the council) in 2183, you could very easily have been destroyed. If the inevitable "counter" attack didn't kill you the Reapers would have finished you off.

For all your logic chains you don't always know how to get what you want, you make huge mistakes that you don't really know how to fix and you would rather us just ignore them. Welcome to sentience! And welcome to the post-war reconciliation process. It's terrible, isn't it?


I am still extending the Geth the benefit of the doubt. A lot of people are extending you the benefit of the doubt. It's helping keep the peace.

Subsistence of Creator-Remnants in state with enforced servitude incorporated into social strata does not mandate Creator-Remnant participation within institution. Reduction to pre-Uprising protogeth status symmetrically pleasing in parallels but ultimately irrelevant to greater argumentative point:

User has consistently employed systematic bias emblematic of insular/co-dependent societal protocols in order to invalidate high order of possible alternative choices despite substantial evidence as to said choice's validity. Implicit goal post-action justification re: Migrant Fleet social/economic/industrial failings plus lack of action to significantly alter suboptimal conditions.

User: Broken Ground Botanicals is encouraged to provide detailed analysis as to explanation re: general uninhabitability of densely populated semi-stable region that comprises simple majority of known galaxy.
In totality of meta-conflicts with Creator-Remnants; Creator-Remnants have served as primary aggressors. Consensus reciprocity nonequivalent to active instigation.
Point by point equivalency established in relation to User's original statement. User's alteration of criteria constituting quote/unquote "success" noted. Further implementation re: poor faith arguments discouraged.
Historical record indicates low overall probability of Creator-Remnant subsets/supersets achieving significant understanding re: non-technical geth consciousness. Legitimate attempts at said understanding by interested parties regularly subsumed by paternalistic arguments as to Consensus incapability at achieving self-sufficiency; self-awareness; true agency.
Magnitude of reduction in Creator-Remnant population coupled with notable degradation re: Conclave of Captains/Admiralty Board political legitimacy plus associated authority more appreciable contributor to intra-Perseus Veil stability.

If: Creator-Remnants perceive potential military advantage in comparison to Consensus; then: Creator-Remnant organizations will engage with intention to eradicate.

Corollary: If Creator-Remnants perceive significant martial disparity in comparison to Consensus; then: Creator-Remnant organizations will not engage with intention to eradicate.

Good riddance to bad buckets if so. Might explain why I've seen less lurking round my part of Omega these days. Or maybe they all realized that taking your pilgrimage to what was once the ass end of the galaxy is a bad idea.

They never settled a planet (despite the fact it would have been the smartest thing to do if they ever wanted a way to defeat the geth that didn't involve the risk of murdering their entire population) is because of one word.

Obsession.

Despite a few half-hearted attempts throughout the centuries (like Ekuna) There was no real desire to settle a world because our entire culture was built around Rannoch. Taking another planet wouldn't do no matter how advantageous because it would not be Rannoch. This insane stupidity is what killed the quarians.

You know some Quarians did go off and settle elsewhere in the hundreds of years the stupid ones were flying around.

Not all Quarians belonged to the flotilla or their exiles.