[Confederacy] Heroes of Lorek to be Honored

Heroes of Lorek to be Honored

Cross-Posted from The Confederate News Service

LOREK - Lorek’s governing council today voted overwhelmingly in favor of a proposal to establish a monument to those who fell fighting in the battle of Jalnor.

Sponsored by the local chapter of the Crimson Chains, former slavers who played a pivotal role in the defense of the planet, the planned monument will be placed on the ruins of the former Governor’s Palace, which was demolished early in the fighting. The centrally-located structure will feature statues of both batarians and asari, the largest minority population on the planet, whose role in the victory was recognized in the aftermath and who, while largely a slave population before the war, now make up a substantial element of the free citizenry.

Included in the structure will be a series of memorial lists, containing the names of the dead and missing.

Reactions to the vote have been mixed, with the government of Erszbat lodging a formal protest accusing Lorek of venerating slavery and state-sponsored terrorism, with many of the listed dead being known slavers or Special Intervention Unit operatives. Local responses have been more positive, lauding the inclusion of the asari in the monument as a step towards a more balanced and open society.

How desperately optimistic.

Optimism is a good treat.
I don't know if desperate is a necessry adjective in this case.

Whatever their past history might be, they died as heroes, and should be honored as such.

So, let me get this straight: Lorek is going to honor the lives of a bunch of batarians who defended the colony in the Reaper War. These batarians were not only slavers, but moreover members of a merry pirate band of murderous assholes who happily worked with the Embodiment and were officially condemned by the Hegemony, yet founded by an active member of the SIU.

Oh, the irony. Abad is laughing his ass off in Urakh.

I think we can certainly begrudge him his entertainment and the Chains their statue. Both were undeniably reprehensible but when the time came they fought and died like heroes.

Regardless of one's personal feelings, at the end of the day, there are people who are alive because of them who would not be otherwise.

No.

I'm glad they helped out, but fighting in the Reaper War is not a get out of jail free card. It barely says anything about your morals, I mean, do you like living in the galaxy? Then you should have been fighting!

Ignoring everything people did before the Reaper war is dishonest and stupid and it's going to lead a lot of people to a lot of pain. BUT

Leaving the asssholes off the list would also be dishonest. Make sure the statues are of the slave fighters, don't let the Crimson Chains put their name anywhere on it, and that should be fine.

Out of curiosity what does this say about organizations such as the krogan Clans who refused to aid other entities (namely the Hierarchy) until their own demands were met?


Lies of omission are still lies Capice, haven't you delivered more than one lecture to the board as a whole on that very subject? I would never figure you of all people to ignore the truth merely because it was unpleasant.

but it's inconveniennnnnnt

I'm always astounded that there are those that find slavery to be more against their moral code than genocidal dreadnoughts.

Slavery or not, these men were heroes. They deserve some respect. You can't hold something as minor as slavery against men like this. Stop whining, pull up your drawers, and be glad batarians like this helped you with your war.

You act like I can't do both. Sure, at the end of the day they lost their lives fighting the Reapers, but until that day ended they were slaving murderers.

Right, because the salarians have a reputation of being daeva-kissed angelic paragons of virtue. Every race gets its hands dirty, salarian. You think there's a single war hero out there without a few dark shadows in his past? Give me a break. Even Shepard helped nuke a goddamned colony full of my people, and everybody considers her a goddamned religious icon these days.

Which I was perfectly happy to point out just a few days ago, when my entire species was being condemned, thank you very much. I'm arguing basically the same point there as I am here - that one set of actions doesn't automatically negate every other one you've made in your entire life, for good or bad, and the idea that you have to choose between blind worship and hatred is stunningly idiotic.

They deserve none of my respect. Slavery is not some minor crime like shoplifting or petty vandalism. It is a horrible crime that strips someone of their basic rights and freedom and is a fate worse than death.

So no, they deserve no respect. They deserved to die.

I'm just going to point out that you're the little girl who constantly bitches about people not being perfectly transparent about everything. And laugh at the hypocrisy.

Mostly the second one.

Let's see... on the one hand they were a bunch of slavers and worth slightly less than a braindead vorcha... on the other hand they helped save the planet... what to do... Oh hey! Here's a thought! Spend the money on something more practical than a fucking statue! Argument solved!

That they should have joined in no matter what, but as demands go, "remove the bioweapon you deployed against us" is rather forgivable?


I don't really get why people are accusing me of hypocrisy here. I'm saying this memorial should be in no way an advertisement for the Crimson Chains. What's dishonest about an unadorned list of names (and everyone should be on the list), provided there are accurate accounts of the events on the extranet?

Now I'm imagining the totally honest war memorial. "Only fought because all of his friends did" "The action she died in wasn't relevant to the eventual victory" "Died with his stomach cut open, wailng for mercy" "Completely unremarkable man, drafted by his state" and of course: "Horrible person, did one useful thing". Even I find this slightly excessive.

Ah, thank you, just wanted to make sure that I understood the double standard correctly: so judging the relative merit of actions based upon a consequentialist metric is only acceptable when you sympathize with the group in question.

Excellent. I was confused there for a moment.


Ignoring the significant material contributions of the group who, if I recall correctly, were critical in actually organizing any any effective resistance is a deliberate manipulation of perceptions of events and frankly rather underhanded.

The reason that I am (and really, might as well say it) calling you a hypocrite is that what you propose is something that upholds the letter of the truth without at all encapsulating the spirit. A tactic which I believe that you yourself have decried multiple times when employed by governments and politicians.


The irrelevant hyperbole is amusing but still has no real bearing on the current discussion.

Try again.

Damn, people. Give the Chains some credit. Bunch've smart and successful guys decided to do somethin' to help the planet without any creds in sight, when they could've just hid and tried to wait the Reapers out. 'Cause've that, they ended up givin' Lorek a fighting chance. Was some bit of charity on their part, so give them that, at least.

I am. It's why I merely burst out laughing when I read the article, instead of screaming that the memorial should be bombed or something.