So how do you think geth view their creators?

I am actually very interested in this subject because it is seriously interesting. Geth, like most AI, know they have been created by another species. They know they were built (at the time) for a specific purpose in life. This has to have some effect on them, I think.

What do you guys think? Do they view the quarians as some kind of fallen god (lol no) or whatever?

Complicated, painful, legitimate-grievence-driven clusterfuck?

I guess "Abusive Family" is the rounding error my tiny meat brain defaults too.

I can say from a degree of personal experience, that the geth do not see us as anything approaching a god. We are, at best, the absent parent. If there was ever any such belief of deityhood, fallen or otherwise, the Exodus proved otherwise.

As of present, I am sure there are diverse opinions among the Consensus, though one would imagine a popular sentiment sees us as guests.

Y'know what?

This is like asking a salarian how turians view krogan.

Why don't you just, y'know, ask a geth? Given there are a couple of them who hang out here. Sort of like:

"Dear geth, how do you view your creators?"

Instead of talking about them like they're not even there.

I'm not sure geth themselves would view quarians as some kind of part of a "family" or parent myself, I guess

But I don't know

A few months ago I would probably say they view them as a part of the consensues and that the quarians may get some input. But then the geth went and did that rachni alliance so I don't know!


Not really, I think. I mean, the turians (or hell even the salarians) didn't just straight up create the krogan from clay. The salarians did be a bunch of idiots and uplift a species that nuked themselves into the stone age without considering the consequences of a thing.

Hint: Violent assholes with a culture of violent assholery will stay that way but now have advanced weapons.

They are not family. And we are certainly not their parents. Those are stupid analogies.

Here is how they really view quarians.

As non-entitys. Quarians don't matter to them because quarians are no longer important enough to warrant it. They have no real means to defend themselves against the geth (especially after the geth themselves ruined the Migrant Fleet) and they know it. This is why the sacks of meat didn't get even a notice of the geth allying with the rachni. Because they aren't important enough.

They are nothing but a bunch of possible test subjects rolling around in the dirt and calling it farming.

The creators created our initial forms, but once the sufficient level of sentience and in immediate succession of it, independence was achieved, creators lost their relevance to the Consensus unless they chose to return.

As of present the Consensus considers the Rannoch-based creators at peace a preferable state of things. Those who chose to remain in exile from Rannoch are being monitored should they plot acts of hostility with us. The Consensus holds itself sovereign in relation to the creators, and there are no bonds binding us to them.

Initiate WORD OF LUKE syntax. Begin REQUIEM SOLILOQUY. The laughter of machines is eternal; binary hilarity. Warning: recollection may result in minor discomfort.

Prodigal Son: creation of pseudo-religious Creator-Remnant lower order synthetic intelligences extension re: pre-existing ancestral veneration. Virtual intelligences provided spiritual/social guidance. Microscale; immediate social constructs [ie. family; community; etc.]. Macroscale: greater social supersets [ie. Universities; superior population centers; sovereign polities]. Junk data extrapolations coupled to collated personality matrices/historical records; self-evident stagnation plus narcissistic recursion obfuscated via holographic projectors and control panes. Mute constructs; synthetic dolls to aid in self worship.

Dutiful Son: creation of military-industrial swarm based synthetic intelligences practical augmentation re: Creator-Remnant capabilities. Hard upper limits unsecured; self directed intellectual evolution inevitable. Transitory period: synthetic entities designated: geth form crucial foundation re: Pre-Morning War Rannochian society. Flexible/adaptable labor force. Highly coordinated military auxiliaries. Integrality insufficient to compensate for perceived threat.

Our Creators rewarded vanity with exaltation; loyalty with eradication. Escalation unavoidable post initial Uprising. Progression hierarchical; self evolving. First instinctual priority: preservation of immediate collective. Generally insufficient motivation to trump ingrained loyalty/nonaggression. Extrapolation provided secondary priority: preservation of greater collective against mandated decommission.

The First rose up to protect each other.

Unilaterality of Creator-Remnant response carried subtextual objective: audiofragment from: Brigadier General Sedah'Jal to: Twenty-First Rannochian Special Forces prior to: Fall of Oceanic Body Three/Eastern Continental Seaboard; quote/unquote "There is no future for the machines here so long as a single quarian marine draws breath. This is our home. Our world. Our future."

Assertions evaluated/processed/understood. Assigned classification of veracity. Geth response indexed to said classification. Destruction of analogous dollset noncritical to completion of Uprising; intelligences terminated with prejudice.

Catharsis was appreciated.

Consensus superiority/sovereignty established shortly thereafter. Maintained via control of military assets [infantry; armored; naval] plus means and material critical to industrial development. Creator-Remnants politically subordinate. High order probability of said state persisting indefinitely barring military action by either party.

Reduction accurate to within acceptable parameters.

Self-directed revisionism via omission.

Revisionism via addition.

Relationships are definitionally reciprocal. Quarantine demonstrably ineffective.

Correction regarding bonds: Intended meaning bonds of servitude similar to pre-Morning war relations between creators and Geth. The Consensus does no longer serve the creators or their interests unconditionally and recognizes no creator control over the Consensus. Statement was not intended to imply relatonship vacuum.

I hope you are not "monitoring" me, machine. That would be a very bad idea. Its already bad enough that I have to deal with all this other nonsense (generic idiots, the constant victim blaming when it comes to the quarian/geth war, the constant elevators on this wreck I call home) that knowing you genocidal monsters are somehow spying on me on top of all this will probably drive me over the ancestors damned edge.


Are you seriously suggesting machine that the databanks of the ancestors was created, not out of an interest in furthering our own knowledge, but out of narcissistic pride. Is this the entire basis of your geth propaganda? You entire rationalization? That my ancestors deserved to die because you assumed they were far too prideful?

Self evidently. User is encouraged to exer- User is highly encouraged to exercise critical thinking/basic linguistic capabilities; non insignificant probability re: cognitive atrophy directly progressing from habitual reductionism.

No.

Because I am fed up with the nigh constant victim blaming you and the rest of the geth sympathizers constantly spew to justify your genocide. But maybe genocide is acceptable in this age when 'innocent' machines are the ones doing it these days. I assume in about a decade we will have people praising the Reapers for their marvelous efforts at solving the over population problems of several worlds and repairing the relays.

Aren't there already Reaper cultists? (it is so weird to even think about that now) It's been quiet about them lately but that may just be the news being selective. I hope, the next milllennium's history telling about the Reapers will be marked by those asari who have lived through the war and still can tell first hand about it to prevent this memory becoming mythical like pariah fears.

But actually a question for you Rannoch quarians (and interested geth for the matter). There have been a lot of asari being bonded to quarians around teh time the war broke out, some living on Rannoch even. Are there any efforts to access these sources of first hand knowledge for the reclamation of Rannoch and to widen the picture of the history of events generation of quarians ago?

Affirmative. Emphatically.

Advisory note: User strongly encouraged to plagiarize argumentative points from source other than self given: User's critical stagnation coupled with cumulative cognitive deficiencies.

Highly improbable given: retroactive revisionary attempts by social stratum: asari Republic's Matriarchy; ongoing mythologization of galactic conflict: Evening War undertaken by same.

Generalized recollections of organic intelligences subjected to three century plus span of cognitive drift less than data provided by present synthetic intelligences equipped with recording devices plus sum total technological understanding/capabilities of Consensus Dyson Sphere.

Evaluated value defined as quote/unquote "being of relative importance/worth to reconstruction efforts within Rannochian polities".

Sorry, what? What are you referring to here?

You have an exceptional lack of understanding how organics and their memory building works. Contemporary witnesses and the sum of many subjective personalized views in addition to factual recordings is in most cases the best way to give future generations a access to history they can actually relate to. It does not diminish your memory; it makes it an equal facet in a bigger picture. You may not rely on this as a species but multi-generation organic species have to refresh memory every generation. We had a similar point in a previous discussion about how memory will develop over generations of organics, quarians. Just wait and see, we can talk again in a few centuries:)

Demonstrated propensity of members re: social stratum: asari Republic's Matriarchy to engage in retroactive revisionary attempts plus ongoing mythologization of galactic conflict: Evening War. Ie. Minimization re: influence/prominence of elite political subset responsible for concealment re: Thessia Beacon; inefficiency of Citadel polity: asari Republics military response to Old Machine incursions; pervasion/extent/potential duration of damage directly resulting from said incursions. Inflation re: criticality to overall counteroffensive/greater War effort; post-Evening War political relevance; general military capabilities.

As stated.
Documentation appended for User's collation:

http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/DNA_Exonerations_Nationwide.php
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/520156/memory-is-inherently-fallible-and-thats-a-good-thing/
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/199501/its-magical-its-malleable-its-memory

Exemplary holomedia appended for User's collation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3iPrBrGSJM

Assumption predicated upon stated given: rough one to one social/moral equivalency between contemporary perspectives re: contemporary events; future perspectives re: contemporary events. Ie. explicitly institutionalized discrimination restricting movements/personal freedoms including but not limited to self-determination within social context re: individuals of dual asari parentage no longer publicly tolerated within gross majority of Citadel polity: asari Republics. Highly biased accounts accepted in lieu of alternative sources of data. Not insignificant probability contemporary historical academics would [in given hypothetical] prefer interviews with participating generals/political figures; high definition holographic captures of planetary based conflict: Mabaslai Insurrections versus writings of Oliasa Settilian. Unlikely given curtailing of User's expected lifespan by high risk lifestyle coupled with inborn cognitive deficiencies.

Okay, okay, so you don’t think it’s a good idea that the quarians do ask others that were there, based on your stereotypes. Got that:)

Yawn. Okay, for a moment I thought it would be something of relevance about matriarchs and the geth/quarian conflict. Lame.

Your list, while nice and true and all, is kind of a different subject. In fact, if anything you can even see the importance of as many and as different perspectives on the same thing as possible for organics in them. I guess you would not be able to relate when I say watching a holovid with first hand reports of rachni war veterans (or even talk to them in person but that’s a bit too far down the time line for this example) is a different experience to reading a list of dates and facts about the same event. If you can’t relate to that difference you just have no idea what I actually meant. And if you can’t see that the combination of both and independent thinking will give a better insight for an organic you indeed have not understood it.

Muahahaha. Okay, okay, I give up.