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Oh, Oh, that is an ocean-cold diss.

You get why it sounds like an ocean-cold diss, right?

Who is going to have more backers than the Daltresses and the STG. Every protest video I've seen has been full of youngish dudes, but then you're mostly youngish dudes. Can some Salarian tell me how much this is a class thing vs a gender thing?


You get that ice doesn't freeze until 0 degrees, and then it does, right?


Withholding judgement until a non bullshit report released. Also, I object to your use of the 'they'.

Krios Memorial and the DLF are both drell activism groups, they don't agree on anything past not liking the status quo, you don't get to collapse your entire pro-democracy spectrum either.


And I...am agreeing with Sicaria in public, what has this crisis brought us to. (Though I'd argue that perceived respect is also a big part of it)

I'm on the Citadel, far away from the clan! By choice! I'm on the outside looking in. I couldn't stand all the meddling, all the controlling, all the turning wheels, the... the overload of it all. And now my entire homeland is having that overload. The Union can't stand it anymore, either! And people are trying to make it worse and exploit it and turn my people against each other.

And to be perfectly honest, you're all doing the same thing! You're all sitting out here and practically hoping it falls apart so you can project your own ideas of what salarian society should be onto what's left! We're not like you, we're not cut out for your ways of doing things.

We've been allies of the asari for a hundred generations! Do you really think we haven't been exposed to these ideas before now? If things were so awful in the Union because people were missing something, like Sundowner77 thinks, then why is this only happening now?

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Look, I don't think I'm explaining myself at all well, because people keep responding as though I'm saying everyone who wants these changes is stupid. Which is exactly what I'm trying not to do.

But apparently that's how I keep coming across.


Yes! Thank you, Ms. er, Handmaiden. You're better at explaining this than I am.

It's like... Sundowner77 was talking about what people want, which sort of relates to my original post, I guess. That stuff about most people just wanting simple things? I agree. I do. Where is it? Here.


All that stuff Sundowner77 was talking about - everyone in the Union already has it! So given what Ms. Handmaiden says about time and effort, which I'm sure you'd all agree fits with Sundowner's point about what people want... where's all this protest coming from? Not the Equality For All stuff, but the unrest?

I know what you're going to say: well, *you're* unhappy, so much so that you left!

Yes, but the reason I couldn't stand it back there was because there was just too much pressure from all that convoluted family business, from all the prodding and, and *agitating*. You see? Not that I wasn't involved *enough*, but because my clan was just getting in the way of the simple life that I agree is what everyone wants!

I know people are different, but there's more going on here than makes sense as just some.. some grassroots popular movement. I mean, you see that, right?

And I still don't know how to express it without offending people.

Sometimes, you can't.

Your government fucked up-like, fell out with their own intelligence service fucked up-and then dragged their feet on the Equality for All stuff.

Dude, don't you have a system where you have to win the approval of the Daltresses in order to bang?

Maybe there are wheels within the wheels but this might be sufficient on it's own.

You're misunderstanding the purpose of the contracts in terms of other species' mindsets towards procreation. To other races, sex is an enjoyable experience that is done for the sake of it, while in salarian cultures it is only considered a means to reproduce, which is important due to the connection salarians have to their family unit, the clan, and their dynasty.

This is basic elementary education.

Did you come into this thread just to rag on me for being facetious? Don't you have merchants to throw out an airlock?

Because having reproduction controlled by the same people who have all the money and all the power is super stable and will last FOR EVER.

Dynasty Maker would not have been so popular (or raised so much ire) if everyone was really happy.

It is, and it has. The authority of the Dalatrasses is a biological function of the salarians that's lasted since before they discovered space flight. Salarians imprint on the Dalatrasses of their clans upon birth, and therefore, defer authority to them whenever possible.

You are trying to save the salarians from their own biological functions. You're so quick to get offended over a topic of interest before actually researching it, and choose to claim sarcasm whenever someone points it out. You are the worst kind of Extranet Slacktivist.

You remind me of the animal rights activists that free biologically engineered species from corporate laboratories and throw them into the wilderness, leading to either their extinction due to a lack of features that allow survival in this environment or the destruction of the ecosytem due to it's inability to manage the population of the creature in question.

Thanks for the party line, but if that really was true, there would be no protests. The only unrest in Salarian society would be in inter-clan competition and yeah, that's not how it's working.


I'm not really sure where you're getting some of this stuff but can you come up with a new insult please? I do remember the last time you used that one.

They're not mindless drones. They simply have a preference to obeying their dalatrasses. Should their wishes deviate too far from their wants, then like any other government of course there will be protests. Compliance is simply easier in this relationship, and has resulted in a form of government that's lasted millenia.

That sounds a little different from the "authority of the Dalatrasses is a biological function". I'm not saying they have drives like I do, I'm saying that this list of Salarian classics has the phrase "hatching of a daughter" in like, eight separate summaries. People who don't care get weeded out of the genepool.

You know, let's just ask, worse case scenario I will have been wrong on the extranet. Salarians! Is there a gender/reproductive aspect to all this unrest?

First off, its just Jeral, no "Mr." necessary.

Secondly; Harsh truth time.

Phraag, I know you might be a nice guy and you don't mean to offend, but you have to deal with the fact that people aren't getting upset because they don't understand your words or are just too blinded by FREEDOMZ. They are upset because, when stripped of all the niceties you are hiding behind, your speeches are basically calling them mindless drones under the siren song of terrorists, all the while dismissing their beliefs as nothing more than a weapon to be wielded against the Union.

Seriously, dude. How do you not get why that's offensive?

If you believe these movements are nothing more than hogwash drummed up as an overall plot to divide the Union, that's fine. That's your deal. But at least have the courage to own up to those beliefs and deal with the fact that some people will hate you for it. (Pro Tip; I'm not one of them. I think you are wrong, like very, VERY wrong, but I don't hate you for what you believe. So, yeah, don't apologize for it.)

Honestly, based on your posts here, you know very little about the groups outside of the SDU and Equality For All, and even less about what they actually want Tell you what, once I top being so tired, I'll clear up some of the misconceptions you have floating around in your head. Or we can do coffee sometime, that'd work too.

@Capice RE:breeding

...no?

I mean, I guess you could link a desire for males to have a larger control over their own lives to breeding issues, but that's kind of missing the point. The government needs more insight and accountability, and not just from males but also for the lesser clans and colonies. Breeding... Is just not very directly connected to that.

Look maybe it's just me, but I'd argue that there's a big difference between not being interested in sex for its own sake, and not wantin' to pass on your genetic material. You know, to leave a legacy. Father a child. Pass something of yourself on when you're no longer here. I'm no salarian expert, but as I understand it, a lot of salarian males don't get that opportunity, and if they don't think the criteria are fair, I can see somethin' worth goin' to war over. I mean, if you have no chance at a legacy anyway, why not die in pursuit of one?

Kayana - for what it's worth, seven year old me woulda been shocked how I turned out.

It's... Hmm.

The burden of leaving a legacy has never really been on males, though. I..

Hm. You kinda of got me on this one.

I don't know if it's a personal thing or if every dude is like this, but I'd say I'm not particularly concerned about that right? Probably because legacy is more than just having a child. After all, you can affect a lot more children by leaving a legacy in science, art, philosphy, ect. You know? Something to pass on to your vlan and future generations that will long outlast the random value of your genetic contribution.

Also, just because we can't really breed with whoever we want doesn't mean we are loveless or even childless. I mean, asari-salarian pairs are pretty freaking common and, even before that, you had and still have a lot of males who mentor kids. I don't know, that make any sense.

All that being said, just my perspective. Honestly, this is something I might be completely wrong on.