Racial Stereotypes: Origin and Accuracy

You know, I've said the exact same thing in the past. I think you're right, Mr. Sandman. It's like I said here:

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It's good to see that some humans see it. I wish at least some salarians shared my view on *our* problems.

Alright alright I get it, all my grievances are invalid and I just should accept I've essentially compacted myself to the Hierarchy and anything else I might have had previously is now forbidden on pain of losing everything that matters to me, and I've all earned it on myself for being dumb and signing up in the first place.

Amused: And thus we might say, "typical human"; he leaps before he thinks.

Damn right it's what you get for signing up to be an honorary shitscale, you stupid prick.

Ahhh that explains where I drew that from, at least partially. Thank you Mr. Phraag.

Though, upon reflection, I will append my statement with the caveat that, obviously, not all human cultures are alike (some are in fact radically different) and my own personal experience and current position incline me to a degree of bias.

More or less yes.

Oh no, he's a turian client now. You're not putting this one on us.

I thought Turians put the whole 'your family doesn't matter, your friends don't matter, what you think doesn't matter, get in line, because only the Hierarchy matters' thing on the brochure. Why would you expect them to give two shits about what you felt?

Because it didn't read that on the brochure, it was "we don't give a darn about off-duty stuff if it doesn't break laws". I'll let you guess how it is now.

Yup, everything under scrutiny.

I guess it's harder for a non-turian coming in from a less regimented society? I've spoken to Farlon, my neighbour, about this - not much, not enough to really know what I'm talking about - but I think that to a turian your family and friends are naturally part of the Hierarchy too, and you love them largely because you're seeing them prosper and find meaning in fulfilling their duty. As in, your concept of the Hierarchy and your concept of family is one and the same, or near enough? So there's not much of a conflict. I guess to humans there is. Like there is with batarians. Never very unified, either of them, unless they have it forced upon them or they get to retain their separateness while ostensibly being together. So maybe humans can't just easily slot into the turian system?

Sort of, yeah, it is very gladiatorial.

It's as much about showing off as it is about killing the other guy (there's that 'make yourself look superior to others' cultural attitude at work again). What's the best way to show off killing the other dude? Make it look like he's hurting from fighting you. Establish not just superiority, but absolute dominance. Make the guy hurt before finishing him off completely, and it clearly displays your absolute supremacy to anyone who may be watching. This is a basic foundation of batarian combat doctrine because it's ingrained into both our cultural mindset as a general rule of thumb for living (make yourself look good) and has its foundations in the fight-or-flight instincts that kick in whenever we get into a threatening situation (make them hurt before killing them, as a prey-hunting tactic). This extends to weapon design - ballistic blades, blade armor, Kishock harpoons, our use of inferno grenades in a way that most other races don't use them...

I mean, fuck, take a look at any time I've gotten into a fight. What's the first thing you've all seen me break out when my back's to the wall? Let's see who can peg this one. Winner gets a cookie.

Hint: It's not a gun.


I take back about 50% of all the negative stuff I've ever said about vorcha.

Y'know, if it weren't for this part, it might have even stayed that way.


Wrong.

I return about 50% of all the negative stuff I've ever said about vorcha.

All rocks same, none lead. Rocks not people. Life fight. All life is people, people lead, fight to lead. Some more people than others. Other races, say vorcha not people. Vorcha more people. But life change, life strive. People become more people than vorcha if want to.

Bitterskin: No, the Hierarchy really is the thought police. Why do you think so many turians do their 15 years and take off for the Terminus? Just look at the Terminus, rotten with turians. Criminality is the best refuge for independent thought, unless of course you've the luck to be born a separatist, in which case you have a whole different set of issues - less regimentation, more people trying to kill you for it.

Sorry Harrad and Keros, but when you're worried about the trouble you'll get in for being someone's friend, there's a problem.

According to the way the Hierarchy thinks, everyone is 'in the line'. If one is to step out, they will automatically distant themselves from their own families and friends. All of them matter. But in a different way because everyone plays the role in the maintenance of the social balance that the Hierarchy aspires to bring to the turian kind.

(pulled from a textbook^).

You know Sica, when I was on Solregit it wasn't any different for me. I don't think you've forgotten that.

Don't say it's a Hierarchy thing.

There are like, billions of Turians. Asari populations don't boom that fast. Salarians stick close to family. Humanity's had only the tiny bit of time to spread. The terminus is rotten with Turians because the Hierarchy has been so good at building and maintaining colonies that spit out those 1 person out of 10000000.

Our sterotypes? Well, our memories really are that good, a solid majority do compact work (though people seem to miss that the compacted have lives-they gossip and raise babies and whatever). I think the most noxious stereotype though is that there isn't any modern drell X (art, music, architecture, whatever) that our culture is this museum piece dead thing.

Pretty fucking much.

Wah, the Hierarchy wasn't the fuck festival paradise I wanted it to be. I feel so betrayed.

Wouldn't have happened if you actually bothered to do the bare minimum of understanding and, I dunno, respect towards turian society. It's not like we were fucking poaching you or something, seducing you with our DANGEROUS ALIEN PROPAGANDA. No one was hiding anything from you - least of all us - and there is literally nothing you didn't decide yourself by joining the Hierarchy. You made the choice, and it's your own fucking fault it was built on a shallow premise that you invented yourself.

That's kind of another thing that turians like. Personal responsibility, dipshit.

It's only thanks to the above quote this is only the second stupidest post in this thread.

yes, yes, you have totally a point there.
Go back to a history class. One out of four, that's a 'not passed'.

The meld is a thing, so why are you trying to deny it or take it out of the equation? It's like taking 'blue' out just because it doesn't fit your argument. Mind you, I can screw whoever I want without having to justify it to anyone, for love or for a few simple hours of pleasure.

Nobody says you have to strip or be a merc? At least if there was a message I never got it. I think you are right on target with pressuring the inner circles of the Matriarchy. We need more critical scrutiny. But I think you overshoot the target with accusing every Matriarch of being a hypocrite by default.


As opposed to your world where there's only place for your right, since your ego takes up so much space. There is not just right or wrong, but we never reach common ground here anyway.

Also you didn't read my post, but I am used to that.

Ridiculous fuckin' thing to say. No respectable government in C-space would turn a blind eye to one of it's citizens buddying up with fuckin' confirmed, self-confessed terrorists. And from the sound of it, this asshole isn't even in "trouble", just expecting people to listen to his bitching and act on it because he knows fuckin' better.


Hey, listen hon I think I might have misjudged you before. That was fuckin' beautiful, you dig?



Listen, Juhani - yeah, I learned your name - You gotta understand something real simple about how things get done in the Hierarchy. It ain't about you. So the higher ups do give you the green light on whatever shit you're trying to start up, and say it fucks up because fuckin' Sundowners, you think that's all on you? Naw, bro. That fuck up is your CO's fault. All the blame is on the guy who put you in that position. You think any of us is gonna want that? You think the guys in the tier above are gonna wanna stake everything on the say of some human who's only seen the inside of the Hierarchy during the fucked up years of the Reaper War?

If you want people to listen to you, they've gotta trust you, ya get me? And, man, you gotta earn that trust. That's the Hierarchy, bro. You're worth what you do, you earn what you're worth.

So quit bitching about shit you can't change, and earn the right to fuckin' change it! You get me?

Juhani's buddy is Vindi, not me. I'm the terrorist. Vindi's the child soldier victim of war turned working class hero. She's the most respectable Sundowner out there.

Harrad: I had your...no, you know what, never mind. I'll forever be grateful for those rides. Both of them.

Far be it from me to even remotely defend the Pocahontas of Palaven, but I cannot fathom how you are still perpetuating this 'skins vs. shirts'-level argument a year after a galactic catastrophe tore the Hierarchy five new assholes. Isn't separatism something of a moot point when Taetrus, Solregit and all those other contested backwaters are either in ruins or beyond contact?

You did have my back, and I appreciate it. But we both know how well things would have gone if you didn't. It's not "Hierarchy does this" or "separatists do this", it's "Turians do this".


The more things change, Proctor. Are you any nicer to the people that voted for you? (<3)