So right, can someone please explain to me

how the fuck shit like this makes sense.

From MercNet btw.


Reason I'm even asking you all is 'cause some of you aren't completely fucktarded and the thread got locked 'bout an hour ago after it started tanking the servers after that post.

So uh

yeah.

Anybody gonna take a crack at this?

...Vigilance, Hierarchy service starts at 15 and is 15 also the mandatory term of service.

Honestly, you're a citizen, how do you not know that?

False equivalency. The entire premise of your question is stupid. People who re-enlist in the Hierarchy aren't doing it to 'make a living', you asshat; and it's not like mandatory service doesn't make it a priority to make sure people leave with employable skills they can apply in any number of fields. Citizens take the career soldier route because they want to help protect and defend the Hierarchy.

Mercenary work is explicitly motivated by money. There's no weaseling out of this shit or pretending that THERE'S A SOUL IN IT. You kill people. To get money. That is the basic definition of a mercenary.

It is not, however, somehow, the stupidest post in this thread.

yes thank you for taking the words out of my mouth

What the fuck are you even on about?

Who are you talking to?

Do you know where you are right now?

So, it's ok to kill people...as long as you masturbate to the Cause.

Got it.

So, you're saying you've never killed anyone or anything for a reason?

Are you seriously going to start fucking bitching about militaries now?

Really?

The best outcome would be no one getting killed but given there's pirates, mercs and other states who employ violence to get what's Hierarchy's...then it is as okay as self-defense can get. Unless it's pre-emptive curbstomp. That's whole another bag of worms.

Oh, woe is me, you've utterly collapsed the ground I walk upon.

The funny thing is the entire premise of your argument asserts that being a soldier for a government like the Hierarchy and being involved in mercenary work is somehow the same thing with swapped motivations. You keep insisting DURRHURRHURRR YOU STILL KILL PEOPLE WHERE'S THE MORAL HIGH GROUND NOW, mercenaries take proactive steps to involve themselves in the 'killing people' part by taking contracts they can choose to accept or not and soldiers, shock and awe, don't. Soldiers don't 'kill people for a living', you fucking idiot. That's not what being a soldier is and you could ask any career soldier on this site, not even for the fucking Hierarchy and you'd get the same answer. It's actually fucking insulting that you're so bold as to claim that 'killing' is pretty much why anyone becomes a career soldier.

But keep pretending to be clever. Keep holding onto your false equivalency. After all, you've figured it all out! I'm astonished that the dots to connect were so clear to see.

"Blatantly suboptimal" for, oh, thousands of years?

I swear, people say that Turians have sticks up their asses but the moment someone mentions the Hierarchy everyone else starts pulling out baseball bats and forgetting their civics lessons.

There was Down with Discord, but Discori was a dipshit who had his defenses center on mechs, vorcha cannon fodder and automated defenses. And I don't think I personally killed anybody during that fight; mostly hung back and boosted shields and hacked mechs. Could've hit something with Incinerate tech-attacks, but I didn't exactly stop to watch the fireworks from those.

Beyond that? No. Unless we count the Reaper attack on the Citadel and the whole QoroQ debacle. And the occasional bout of self-defense (Omega, what're ya gonna do?).


You have to admit, 'serve and defend' is just a fancy C-Space way of saying 'enforce my government's desires, because politics.' Think about it. It's functionally the same thing. And, really, at the end of the day, depending on the precise execution of that role? Isn't necessarily bad. It's all gang shit, just scaled up. Standard procedure, galaxy keeps turning.


In this order.


It is.


Wrong. I'm stating that the people involved hold weapons/fight for a living. Nothing inherently wrong with it.


Yeah.

They do.

That's kinda the point.


I didn't claim that they become career soldiers to kill. I claimed they become career soldiers to make a living. Again, nothing inherently wrong with it.


Go masturbate to the Hierarchy somewhere else, please.

You don't even know what a soldier does.

After claiming that all pirates are psychopaths and then showing us all that you have no idea what the Heirarchy is are you really going to continue being this wrong?

hey guys am i edgy yet

Does a soldier fight? Yes or no? Any other distinctions become meaningless after that point.

Uh, look that's nice 'n all but just gonna say one thing

if cash was the most important thing to these (well trained, disciplined) guys like (I'm guessing?) you're saying

why wouldn't they all go merc?

They're meaningless... because?

Oh, wait. More blind reductionism to support an argument that only exists in your head.

That's really down to the individual's preference. So on that point? Fucked if I know.

That is a fucking xemnashit copout. 'Specially since you're saying that uh

You're basically saying a Sun, a Blackwatch Trooper, a vorcha pitfighter, and random gangbanger fucktard #77472341

are the same fucking thing.

I mean what

the actual

fuck.

What are you on?

probably some kind of shitty medicine because he ain't got no legs.

OK, I guess some elaboration is in order.

Yeah, pretty much. I mean, think about it. Their primary purpose is to fight, isn't it? That's their main focus in their given profession. Sure, there's other stuff that might go along with it, but the entire point to that other stuff is to maintain or augment their ability to fight. Maintenance, tech skills, computer-hacking, sure, fine, it may have other applications, but in their given profession and chosen vocation, what else are they gonna use those skills for besides fighting or facilitating their ability to fight well? Different skill levels, and specific skill-sets, sure, fine, those all exist, but...

I mean, what the hell else are they gonna do with those other talents (whatever they may be) in that general line of work? Think about it.

Piracy is caused by desperation and a lack of other options, going all 'hard woman making hard decisions' and pretending that they're all heartless monsters or idiots won't actually fix any problems and won't slow down the rate of new pirates showing up. Think the awkward failure of 'tough on crime' policies. In order to fix the endemic problems that cause piracy to be rampant in Nimbus, and the Verge and parts of the Terminus you cannot pretend that the pirates are pointlessly evil monsters without a motivation.

Claiming 'zero empathy or willful ignorance' is absurd if you actually want to fix problems and make sure there aren't pirates. People kill each other, even innocent people, without having no empathy or being willfully ignorant! You can't just blame it all on blatant sociopathy and ignore why people are driven to the depths of piracy, you have to understand why people become pirates and what being a pirate actually involves so that you can enact social and military policies that not only prevent piracy from hurting people but also make it so that people are not driven to become pirates.

Second verse same as the first, mister RedOut.

I, with all honesty, do not give a shit what might have driven these people to become pirates. I'm sure it's horrible and tear-jerking and tragic and little violins will start playing, but I don't care. When you become a pirate you make a choice to put yourself above other people. You decide that your comfort and your well-being is more important than those of the people you rob and kill.

Sometimes the environment is a major factor in 'driving' people to piracy. I'm not saying that that should be ignored. What I am saying is that people whining 'oh no but I was driven to a life of killing people and taking their stuff a bloo bloo bloo ;-;' need to sack up and just admit to themselves that they're selfish, amoral assholes.