to the sick bastards who shipped this to me

Talonz, if palaven had been left alone and the Hierarchy had refused to go to war, would have gone and killed the decision makers?

I wish the Salarians had deposed their dalatress for that, I really do, but from I gathered from Salarian culture, it's biologically very hard for them to turn on their mothers.

See, here's the thing I don't get.

Everyone and their mother used to complain that the Union and the Republics 'weren't doing their part for the war' or whatever. Cause apparently mining resources, repairing ships, keeping economies afloat, etc., don't count as helping out. Whatever, that's not the point.

Then the Citadel Coup happens and both government send in their fleets. Tides, we sent in the Sixth and the Destiny motherfucking Ascension. And people still yell at the asari and the frogs cause we're still not pulling our weight.

...and then Thessia gets hit. And suddenly it's all OK to be a Republican? I mean, look at the public acceptance of asari after that. No more "wah wah we want more ships", it's all about how Thessia needs to be liberated. Tides.

So all of you talking about how you don't like the frogs because they didn't help out can fuck right off. You're hating on them because their homeworld didn't get Reaped, and even I think that's low.

I don't know about other people, but for me it's mostly who went to earth to deliver the crucible and who didn't. This was the only moment we had a shot at getting rid of the reapers. It didn't work, they won. As a sapient race, especially as a councilor one, the Salarians had the same duty as everyone to send everything they had to make sure it worked. I mean damn, my people sent what we had left, same for humans, asari, turians (while their planet was under siege!), krogans (who had been screwed over by the galaxy for centuries, justifiably or not is another discussion), even hanar/drell, volus and vorchas pitched in as they could!
Salarians sent one fleet. They managed to contribute less than the volus if I'm not mistaken.
I'm sorry, that was unacceptable. It was the ONE moment in galactic history not to screw up, and they did. They have a LOT of work to do to erase that blight on their history.

But again, a lot of Salarians like mister Spiza are trying to make it right, and should in now way be discriminated against.

It's the same argument you were making 'bout Talonz, though.

Say you were the Hegemon. If Khar'Shan was the only galactic power not hit by the Reapers, and everyone else was taking part in a suicide mission that might not work, would you be ordering the fleets in to occupy Earth? Leave your own systems undefended, instead of using them as a rally point for if Earth fell through?

I'm not happy about it, but tides, I can understand why they did it. Maybe it's an asari thing - you don't risk what you don't have to, especially not when you can use it again later. Maybe it's cause I was never on Earth, or cause I know frogs, or cause I had a salarian bondmate. But it can't be just me who understands, right?

Edit: In hindsight, bad example. 'Invade Earth!' was pretty much your guy's default diplomatic position, hey?

I'm no strategist, but I'm pretty sure that even a full force Batarian fleet would have been next to useless against reapers in conventional war. So yes I would have sent it to Earth to try that Crucible thing.

Edit : Not really, the only conflict between the Hegemony and the Alliance was on the Verge. Me, I'm more for trade than war.

True, but the frog fleets aren't exactly your Hegemony Standard. I heard all kinds of rumours about stealth thanix dreads, quantum cyber-warfare suites, drone fighter swarms, you name it. If anyone could have taken the Reapers, it'd have been the frogs.

...but I see your point. Don't agree with it (aliens never think of the long-term), but I can get it. Tides, you are like the second most eloquent slaver I've ever met.

I would have not. Attacking the authorities is treason, and treason is not exactly what good turians do. And neither is letting your allies die for your survival without doing anything. I did not say that we should eat the dalatrass, come on, but that the Union should be held accountable for their lack of support.

My homeworld was in flames, and the ashes are still smouldering, and what did my goverment do? Ally with a mortal enemy, and send everything to a one shot chance which really was the only option. Quarians, after 300 years, had gotten Rannoch back. Did they send one fleet? Nope. All the fucking ships. It was evident from the start; not even the combined forces of human, turian and krogan fleets had a chance against the Reapers in a pitched battle. This was the only chance of killing the Reapers we would get, going to Earth. How could a single species, not even known for its martial prowess, think they could leave the rest of us to fight the battle for them?

However, thinking that every single salarian thinks the same way as their leaders is incomprehensible. You'll have to be real fucking racist to think that makes sense on any level. What can a single individual do, or even a group of individuals? Would you have sold all your belongings, left your loved ones behind and charge a terrifying enemy blind without any back-up? Some did. I heard rumours of STG-groups making some really effective raids, and other spook stuff. Not everyone is a soldier. That's why this is wrong.

Doesn't change the fact that the Salarian Union chickened out, and hid in a corner while the rest of us fought for the future of our galaxy.

That's the problem though, there wasn't going to be a long-term.

There's always a long term, just a question of whether making sure you have a strong footing when it gets here is realistic or even possible. It would take time to exterminate the galaxy, even if we have only explored less than a percent of it. You can find evidence of this on earth and the other homeworlds that were under siege. Even with "complete control" of the systems by the reapers, there are still quite a lot more than zero live people in those locations even after extended occupations. Hell even Khar'shan, the first planet to get hit, that had the least reinforcements, still had pockets of survivors when the Reapers fell.

The problem is, that the infrastructure and nearly all of the military complexes and accompanying tech, were damaged or outright wiped from the maps, which makes counter-attacking later a big problem especially factoring in shipyard problems. It's possible that you could construct (or preserve one that already exists) some secret facilities to continue the war long after the time the reapers have entered mop up operations. A shipyard between star systems, a research station in a planet core, that kind of thing. Seemed to work well enough for those Cerberus bastards when we were trying to find them. I don't think these efforts would be very successful myself however, since even if say 10 years, or a few decades from now we found some ace in the hole and poof reaper problem gone, you still have basically ruins left over, with a handful of survivors here and there, and it only gets worse the longer it takes.

But what do I know? I stand around holding a gun for a living. Deciding the fate of the galaxy is way beyond my paygrade.

And whether by chance or fate, I was there for the big show at the end. I finally get off of Noveria, only to end up someplace worse. If you'd told me that before I left, I'd probably have laughed in your face. A very short time later, and suddenly it's death machines from the skies. Somehow we cheated the odds and are still breathing. I should be dead now, and so should most of you. Yet here we are, arguing about shit like it's just another day in the Milky Way.

I certainly hope my next spin of the wheel is a little less interesting.